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  •  BTW, (0+ / 0-)

    That is a max train not a streetcar. When the max leaves downtown it doesn't have to contend with trafic but downtown it travels on surface streets like the streetcar.

    Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

    by Drewid on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 07:24:25 PM PDT

    •  This is a Portland Streetcar. (1+ / 0-)
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      In the Pearl.

      Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

      by Drewid on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 07:29:03 PM PDT

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    •  There's nothing in the essay that says its ... (1+ / 0-)
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      ... "a streetcar proper" ... "slow" transit versus "fast" transit is the topic.

      The original before stripping out pictures to avoid having to photobucket them did have three different streetcars .... the Twin Cities Green Line, the Cincinnati Streetcar, and the Portland streetcar ... and since I already had that in photobucket, I was able to use that one for the lead illustration. Nowdays, I only photobucket the ones that are integral to the essay, since otherwise I hit my photobucket capacity cap.

      All the world's a stage, the theater is on fire, and the lead actors are telling the audience that the smoke is a trick, they should stay seated an enjoy the show.

      by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 08:21:55 PM PDT

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      •  Whoa, I was just sayin. (1+ / 0-)
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        I whole heartedly agree in more mass transit, of all sorts.

        Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

        by Drewid on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 09:52:17 PM PDT

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        •  It read like a correction ... (1+ / 0-)
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          ... but, through downtown at least, the MAX also falls under the heading of "slow transit".

          Between speeding up the Portland Streetcar and speeding up the MAX downtown, it would seem like the MAX would be more compatible with its faster transit speeds once it gets out of downtown.

          All the world's a stage, the theater is on fire, and the lead actors are telling the audience that the smoke is a trick, they should stay seated an enjoy the show.

          by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 10:22:35 PM PDT

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          •  They should build a rail bipass. (1+ / 0-)
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            Elevated would probably be the best option.  And build extra for the streets car to service close in max stops.

            Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

            by Drewid on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 10:52:45 PM PDT

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    •  It's a potatoe. (3+ / 0-)
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      Portland distinguishes light rail from streetcar in the names they give the routes, but in a general sense there's no well-defined difference. Modern streetcars are modified light rail vehicles, so there's little or no vehicular difference. As in Portland, they can share tracks, and (IIRC) the "streetcar" is really just a short-turn variant of the "light rail".

      warning: snark probably above

      by NE2 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 08:35:26 PM PDT

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      •  In Australia ... (3+ / 0-)
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        ... its "light rail" when they want to sell it as modern in NSW, and a "tram" when they want to sell it as the familiar tracked vehicle you've known since childhood in Victoria ...

        ... even when its exactly the same vehicle, and a street-running alignment.

        Indeed, the technical term "trolley" was for the type of power pick up used ~ trolleywire versus catenary. The interurbans looked very similar to the trolleys when running in the city, but used catenary so they could run faster in the dedicated track sections outside of the city, at speeds where the trolleypole would jump off of the trolleywire.

        All the world's a stage, the theater is on fire, and the lead actors are telling the audience that the smoke is a trick, they should stay seated an enjoy the show.

        by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 08:46:32 PM PDT

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        •  Years ago, (1+ / 0-)
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          When I lived in Melbourne it was def at least 3 diff systems broken down by at least 6 zones. At the time they had a good train system, extensive downtown trolley and bus. When I lived there a e zone day pass was not more than 4 dollars. A friend told me Melbourne Mass Transit has at least in part been privatized.

          Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

          by Drewid on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 09:58:49 PM PDT

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          •  The tram is still running .... (0+ / 0-)

            ... less extensive heavy rail system than Sydney, but much more extensive tram system, because Melbourne never ripped their trams out, and Sydney did.

            All the world's a stage, the theater is on fire, and the lead actors are telling the audience that the smoke is a trick, they should stay seated an enjoy the show.

            by BruceMcF on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 10:14:14 PM PDT

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      •  Do they share tracks? (1+ / 0-)
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        Not that I have seen. Doesn't matter I am glad the are both there.

        Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

        by Drewid on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 09:54:00 PM PDT

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        •  The Portland Streetcar can run on ... (2+ / 0-)
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          ... the MAX tracks, but because of slower speed and different signalling, not during the ordinary working day. They used to sometimes run them late at night to get to the light rail service shed, but now when there's a part that the Portland Streetcar service shed cannot handle, they take it out there, and truck it over.

          The MAX is wider and longer, so it cannot run on the Portland Streetcar tracks ... the curves are too sharp, and in several places there is not adequate clearance ... and it is heavier than the Portland Streetcar tracks were built for.

          All the world's a stage, the theater is on fire, and the lead actors are telling the audience that the smoke is a trick, they should stay seated an enjoy the show.

          by BruceMcF on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 10:17:00 PM PDT

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          •  Sure enough, 8 and something standard, (1+ / 0-)
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            Interesting. Well U just learned something new, never saw them on the same tracks.

            Some people do not argue in good faith. Their only purpose is to disrupt and cause strife. Best to not engage them.

            by Drewid on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 10:41:03 PM PDT

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          •  Ah, I was wrong about the routes (nt) (0+ / 0-)

            warning: snark probably above

            by NE2 on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 11:41:46 PM PDT

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            •  They can physically share the MAX tracks ... (0+ / 0-)

              ... and there is a connecting track to allow it to happen, it just turned out to be too much of a pain. AFAIU, the Streetcar signaling is simpler.

              I recall a friend of mine in Australia telling me that an old tram driver told him the instruction he was given by an old hand when he first started: "When you see the red light of the tram ahead of you, be sure you don't hit it. Be careful about that and you'll be right."

              All the world's a stage, the theater is on fire, and the lead actors are telling the audience that the smoke is a trick, they should stay seated an enjoy the show.

              by BruceMcF on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 10:12:36 PM PDT

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