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    •  when words fail, action succeeds: (15+ / 0-)

      If there's any situation in the world today that merits an international military intervention, this is the one.

      ISIS/ISIL/IS is pure abject evil and needs to be eradicated.  Otherwise there will be a human rights catastrophe in any territory in which they consolidate power.

      We got the future back. Uh-oh.

      by G2geek on Sun Aug 03, 2014 at 10:29:09 PM PDT

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      •  Agreed. (21+ / 0-)

        The Kurds had to abandon Sinjar because they ran out of ammunition!  I realize that is probably bad planning on their part, but they want US support and they should get it.

        Link to a twitter account with a Kurdish column advancing toward Sinjar.  https://twitter.com/...

        I understand this morning that the Yezidis were up on the mountain, without water, waiting for reinforcements.

        Sunni Muslim clergy in Zakho and Dohuk are opening up their mosques to house displaced Yezidis, which is actually a pretty big deal and a deliberate poke in the face of IS

        A real mess... I am in Kurdistan at the moment and our office staff are monitoring the Kurdish (and Arabic language) media.  Kurds counterattacked near Wana and seem to have taken a village back.

        There has been a lot of fighting right now in Jalaula, with the town changing hands between IS and Kurds several times.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 05:50:04 AM PDT

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      •  Too bad, because they're in good with (3+ / 0-)
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        protectspice, native, jds1978

        some of our very dear friends in Saudi Arabia.

        A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

        by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 07:01:10 AM PDT

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        •  Are They? (1+ / 0-)
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          Is there evidence IS Iraq is colluding with the Sauds? Because it looks like the Sauds are just complacent as usual, though they're the biggest target for IS Iraq.

          "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

          by DocGonzo on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 07:55:43 AM PDT

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          •  Maybe more accurate to say there *was*. (1+ / 0-)
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            Prince Bandar was involved with ISIS/ISIL in their Syrian capacity, though if you're making a demarcation between the ISIS in Syria and the one in Iraq, then I guess the answer is no. I don't know how independent those two forces are. I had assumed there wasn't much daylight between them, but such alliances and allegiances are mega-fluid, so maybe there's a substantial difference now.

            Also, Bandar got kicked down a few steps recently (apparently b/c someone in the Saudi gov't felt that ISIS/ISIL was a bridge too far, or something, but that part is just speculation. Maybe he just insulted some high-placed person's looks, for all I know).

            A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

            by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 08:41:26 AM PDT

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            •  Prince Bandar's prediction coming true (2+ / 0-)
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              Some time before 9/11, Prince Bandar bin Sultan, once the powerful Saudi ambassador in Washington and head of Saudi intelligence until a few months ago, had a revealing and ominous conversation with the head of the British Secret Intelligence Service, MI6, Sir Richard Dearlove. Prince Bandar told him: "The time is not far off in the Middle East, Richard, when it will be literally 'God help the Shia'. More than a billion Sunnis have simply had enough of them."
              The fatal moment predicted by Prince Bandar may now have come for many Shia, with Saudi Arabia playing an important role in bringing it about by supporting the anti-Shia jihad in Iraq and Syria. Since the capture of Mosul by the Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (Isis) on 10 June, Shia women and children have been killed in villages south of Kirkuk, and Shia air force cadets machine-gunned and buried in mass graves near Tikrit.
              Iraq crisis: How Saudi Arabia helped Isis take over the north of the country
              •  If it's a choice between Bandar and Iran (1+ / 0-)
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                I know who I'm hoping will win.
                Creating something like ISIS/ISIL is anti-civilization and near-unforgivable.

                A mighty woman with a torch, whose flame/Is the imprisoned lightning, and her name/Mother of Exiles.

                by SouthernLiberalinMD on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 09:28:37 AM PDT

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              •  Islam is about 88% Sunni & 12% Shia, (2+ / 0-)
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                according to Wikipedia, so Bandar sounds like he knows what he is talking about, in the long run. With those numbers, one has to wonder how the Shia have held on as long as they have, if this is ultimately a religious war. As far as the U.S. trying to straighten this out, that sounds impossible, as those 2 have been feuding for a long time and will continue to.  We did not help by invading Iraq and taking out Saddam, as Dick Cheney alluded to in 1994, before the formation of PNAC, and before he was CEO of Halliburton. Unless we were planning to stay in Iraq until the problem was solved, it sounds like the invasion was the worst we could have done.

                The US ranks 138th out of all 169 voting countries in actual voting. Since 1974, mid-term % of eligible voters who vote avgs. 37%. Democrats would dominate if they did one thing- GOTV. They never do. Curious.

                by Incredulousinusa on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 12:14:10 PM PDT

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      •  Tell the Sauds (0+ / 0-)

        The Saud family is right next door, with a big army. They're Salafists, as is IS Iraq, with absolute control over religious edicts. They are the next and biggest target of IS Iraq.

        Long before the US, EU or anyone else ought to get involved, the Sauds should be mobilizing to defend themselves first. Otherwise it's just the Iraq Wars all over again. Which can always get worse, as IS Iraq is proving.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 07:54:37 AM PDT

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      •  ISIS seems like Taliban on steroids (1+ / 0-)
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        I am shocked at this as well:

        ISIS didn't take Mosul Dam from Iraqi Security Forces. They took it from Peshmerga Kurdish fighters. When the Iraqi forces fled their positions in a panic in June, the Kurdish forces moved in to take their places in key locations.
        (emphasis mine)

        What kind of army flees in panic?

      •  How do you "eradicate" it? (2+ / 0-)
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        maregug, GreatLakeSailor

        ISIS/ISIL/IS isn't a baseball team with a roster. They don't march in columns. They don't wear uniforms. You can't just "figure out where they are and kill them all."

        Muslim extremist resentment of U.S. puppet regimes can't be "eradicated." This is a beast of our making. We did this. What we CAN do is stop feeding it.

        Almost everything you do will seem insignificant, but it is most important that you do it.

        by The Termite on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 09:31:11 AM PDT

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    •  The water could come down and flood Mosul. (2+ / 0-)
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      Tikrit Dam protects Tikrit, Samarra, and Baghdad from floods on the Tigris.

      This area was taken two months ago. The dam was a tiny pocket of resistance.

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