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  •  Let me see: the Prime Minister of one of the.. (6+ / 0-)

    ...largest and most powerful nations in the region, Israel's former strongest ally in the region, says this and what? Ignore it? Pretend he didn't say it? It's news, whether you like it or not. But nice try at deflection.

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    by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:20:03 PM PDT

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    •  strongest ally? (3+ / 0-)
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      Turkey is the main funder of Hamas.

      That's one crappy ally.

      •  This is what you apologists... (2+ / 0-)
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        ...for the Likud war criminals are trying to justify. Just another 'human shield', right?

        Gaza City (Palestinian Territories) (AFP):

        Lying on his bed in a Gaza hospital, three-year-old Yamin now sees the world from behind burns which have disfigured him for life. The tiny boy is just one of hundreds of burn victims and those wounded by Israeli shell fire overwhelming Gaza's sole working operating theatre for plastic surgeons.

        He also has burns on his back and multiple fractures suffered when an Israeli strike decimated his family and destroyed their home in Al-Buraj, central Gaza, last week.

        It was the evening. The start of Eid al-Fitr, the festival marking the end of the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.
        In a single strike, the house was turned to rubble and 19 people lay dead. Yamin, miraculously, was the sole survivor but he was left an orphan and badly burnt.

        He was taken to a clinic then rapidly transferred to the burns department at the Shifa hospital in Gaza, where he cries, lying naked, and where a handful of surgeons are now confronted with the endless horrors of the war.

        Do you think that 3 year-old is 'telegenically' wounded enough for Netanyahu?

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        by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 02:49:58 PM PDT

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        •  so when you're proven wrong (0+ / 0-)

          that's the talking point you go to?

          Do you have that saved for just such an occasion?

          It's OK to admit that turkey funds Hamas. And that Hamas is a terrorist organization. And that Hamas is an anti-semetic organization.

          •  A burned 3 year-old is a 'talking point'? (0+ / 0-)

            You and 'telegenically dead' Netanyahu deserve each other.

            As for being 'proven wrong': don't spout drivel. Proven wrong about what? That Turkey is a member of NATO? That it was, until recently, Israel's strongest ally in the region?

            As for 'Turkey funds Hamas', repeating something endlessly doesn't make it true (although a man named Goebels advised using this technique to make things 'true').

            Provide evidence or stop. Your first link is not evidence, just gossip; the Daily Beast link proves nothing.

            Try harder.

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            by Retroactive Genius on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:16:08 PM PDT

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      •  no, actually, that's not true (1+ / 0-)
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        Hamas receives a lot of funding from Palestinian expats, and Iran.  Turkey doesn't merit a mention  But I guess in your worldview every islamist is the same person or something

        •  more recent info (0+ / 0-)

          300 Million annually from Turkey to Hamas.

          I'll accept your apology and correction at any time.

          •  You didn't actually read the article (3+ / 0-)
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            I can tell. It says that Turkey "may" provide funding in the future to make up for the shortfall from Iran, not that it has or will.  In any event, this appears to be for the purposes of funding the civil administration, which is hardly nefarious.  Israel ought to be picking up the full tab for its occupation, but it doesn't so others have to step up to provide governance and humanitarian aid.  for a description of the various funding sources, including the EU and Israel, Forbes has an interesting review.

            •  your article is from 1999 (0+ / 0-)

              Again, more recently the money has been coming from Turkey.

              From the WSJ

              Qatar and Turkey, however, have supplanted Iran as the biggest financial backers of Hamas in recent years, according to U.S. and Israeli officials. Qatar alone has pledged to fund the salaries of the Gaza Strip’s local, Hamas-dominated government.
              More background
              The latest missile attacks by Hamas were preceded by the kidnapping and execution of three Israeli teenagers in the West Bank by Hamas operatives. The Hamas leader urging kidnappings of Israelis in the West Bank is named Saleh al-Arouri, and he operates from Turkey.

              The kidnappings were preceded by a concerted effort by al-Arouri to fund and plan such operations. He may or may not have masterminded this specific attack, but it was the fruition of his orders. Hamas officially denies involvement, but Israel has identified the kidnappers as Hamas terrorists that were previously arrested and released.

              Israeli intelligence has reportedly concluded that Turkey has been the top financial sponsor of Hamas since 2012, with Erdogan arranging for the transfer of $250 million to the terrorist group annually. Another report puts the figure at $300 million. The funding comes from private sources he is close to and not from the official budget. Turkey is also said to have trained Hamas security forces in Gaza through non-governmental groups.

              The report said that Turkey coordinates the fundraising with Qatar, another supposed U.S. ally. Members of Congress have asked Qatar to stop financing Hamas. Khaled Meshaal, the political leader of Hamas, lives in Qatar and even gave an extremist sermon at its Grand Mosque. The U.S. blocked a $400 million aid package from Qatar to pay 44,000 employees of the Hamas government in Gaza.

              Also, IMO there is no "civil" part of Hamas. There is simply the terrorist organization, the cover operation. Think of it like the mob, they may have owned a dry cleaners, they may have even cleaned clothes once, but no one is giving the dry cleaners hundreds of millions of dollars to get out a ketchup stain.
              •  You really should provide links, please (0+ / 0-)

                It makes your comments less useful when you don't.

                Israeli intelligence has reportedly concluded
                This is why people are skeptical of the claim. Do you have any other support except articles relying on Israeli intelligence? Because that's like claiming that Bush had intelligence that Iraq had WMD in terms of reliability. I feel foolish for having pushed that line without looking deeper at where the information came from.

                No War but Class War

                by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:58:19 PM PDT

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              •  Good catch (1+ / 0-)
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                The claim that Hamas was behind the kidnapping was denied by Israel, by the way.  Still this is better information een if Israeli intelligence is not a credible source.

                And there is a civil arm that pays for bureaucrats and fuctionaries, propaganda notwithstanding. ( I guess similar attitudes explain why Israel seems to think that power plants and schools are legitimate targets). As I said, finding those operations is hardly objectionable, only the military wing.  Of course good luck teasing that out of courae

              •  And there is a civil part of Hamas (0+ / 0-)

                no matter how much you deny it exists. It's one of the reasons they have the popularity they have.

                No War but Class War

                by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 04:38:58 PM PDT

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      •  The US has a defense treaty with Turkey (1+ / 0-)
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        Which is something Israel can't claim. And since Hamas doesn't attack the US funding Hamas doesn't even come into it.

        No War but Class War

        by AoT on Mon Aug 04, 2014 at 03:46:01 PM PDT

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      •  Maybe Israel should have thought of that (0+ / 0-)

        before attacking Turkish ships in international waters.  I mean, the US eats that shit up with a spoon, but some countries do not.

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