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  •  So Colorado, which has the strongest fracking laws (5+ / 0-)

    in the country had a couple measures on the ballot by Pollis whose mega mansion was about to have a drill rig within sight. And he gathered signatures the way everyone does, by paid signature gatherers.

    Then the League of Conservation Voters, The Sierra Club, Senator Udall, Governor Hickenlooper and the Democratic Party were all for dropping the effort.

    But a front pager at the Daily Kos figures they have it all wrong and they are caving to big business.

    Do I have it about right?

    “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

    by ban nock on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:14:27 AM PDT

    •  I'm so confused (0+ / 0-)

      But I definitely want to know more, particularly about the League of Conservation Voters.  At this point, they are the only group that gets my donation dollars.

      •  Not surprising (5+ / 0-)

        Ban nock is vehemently anti-environmentalist so you'll always get a pretty distorted view there.  The Colorado LCV is supporting the compromise on a theory that the two anti-environment initiatives were worse that the two pro environment ones were bad, it appears.  see the press release

        Sierra Club in fact hasn't taken a position on the deal and says it wasn't at the table. (See my comment below)

        Also Sen Udall has been taking heat in the election for being anti-fracking so he may have asked that it be pulled to prevent his election from being a referendum on fracking.  That's harder to read

        •  pro environment, pro science based (0+ / 0-)

          it's the second part of the equation that drives you around the bend.

          “Conservation… is a positive exercise of skill and insight, not merely a negative exercise of abstinence and caution…” Aldo Leopold

          by ban nock on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:16:24 AM PDT

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    •  More or less, correct (2+ / 0-)
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      Other than Colorado having the "strongest fracking laws." That's a canard repeated endlessly by the Governor and the industry, but is completely academic (they may be the "strongest," but that's saying approximately nothing.)

      There was a significant chance -- a real, approaching or even above 50% chance -- that these initiatives would have failed. I'd personally have put chances well higher than 50%. If that had happened, regulating fracking would have been a complete non-starter for years, and possibly not just in Colorado.

      Polis absolutely made the correct choice here.

      •  Ah (0+ / 0-)

        What you are saying is pretty different that what BN said.  This sounds like the deal was a net benefit, especially given the evisceration of local bans that would have been on the table

        •  The deal is a net benefit, without question. (3+ / 0-)
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          Mindful Nature, AlexDrew, ban nock

          The deal means that Colorado Dems will not eat their own and be swept out of office, losing the Dem Senate, because of the inevitable wall of money that would opposed the measures.

          Polis' environmental rights measure is poorly written and does not recognize prior and historical legislating in this subject matter of public trust protection by the late Professor Joseph Sax...the godfather of public trust environmental law.

          Because it was poorly written, not enacting Polis' environmental rights measure isn't loosing much at all.  Everyone should understand here that Polis is an amateur when it comes to federal environmental law.....Polis is no Henry Waxman.

          Polis' other measure for a 2000 foot setback was going to get hammered by industry because it would foreclose substantial portions of the state from drilling operations.  I'm unaware of any other state in the country that has a setback requirement of 2000 ft or more, so this was expected to be a big target that the industry would fight hammer and tong on.

          With the deal Polis gets to keep the setback issue alive and to potentially get something greater than what presently exists but not the 2000 ft he sought.

      •  The poll I linked to (1+ / 0-)
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        Glenn45

        Had both up by huge margins. Sure that would have changed when advertising started, but to say that measures that were polling at +40 were more likely than not to fail seems like a statement that needs some evidence behind it. Even after negative messaging, both were still +20.

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        by David Nir on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 11:41:23 AM PDT

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    •  nope, wrong (0+ / 0-)

      4 cities in his district had voted to ban fracking, and my guess that they weren't too concerned with Polis' view from his house is at least as valid as your spin.
      Try again.  I'll even give you some help--maybe the governor and senator and others don't want to risk granting more local control, which is what the Polis initiative was for, because maybe local control would result in more fracking in some areas as opposed to less.  
      If that's the issue then maybe my concerns are unfounded.

      you can shit on my face but that doesn't mean I have to lick my lips

      by red rabbit on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:30:21 AM PDT

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    •  Colorado has the strongest fracking laws? (0+ / 0-)

      That's the first I've heard of that one.

      Got anything to back that up or does it just feel good to say?

      •  the fracking laws were written by the oil and gas (2+ / 0-)
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        Glenn45, Garthhh

        commission without input from those of us who are at risk from drilling and fracking...big oil and gas and coal have had their way in Colorado, without much push back...we have been bombarded by pro-fracking lies on the teevee, and when combined with the Dem fuck wads in Denver sucking big oily's drill rig, well, we are the losers...The Energy Companies own Denver...lock stock and barrel of fracking fluid...I will not forget, nor will I go quietly into the night...

      •  Gov John Hickenlooper advocated and achieved the (1+ / 0-)
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        ban nock

        first state methane air pollution control requirements in the United States.   They are exemplary and a model for other states.

        In doing so, Gov John Hickenlooper walks in the shoes of Senator Edmund Muskie.

        Democrats criticizing this environmental leadership by Hickenlooper lack common sense and should stop watching Gasland.

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