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  •  Their propaganda trumps our truth (21+ / 0-)

    There has to be some really deep psychology going on in people who consistently agree with Dems on policy, and even say they like Dems better than Repubs, then go into the voting booth and vote R.

    The Oligarchs have built a very sophisticated propaganda network of TV networks, radio stations, fake think tanks, internet sites...  And we now have other news media who think that journalism is simply reporting 2 sides of a story.  All the fake scandals and corruption reporting and constant attacks on the "liberal" media, leaves people with a hidden bad gut feeling about Dems.  I think way too many people vote their gut rather than their head.

    •  That's what MESSAGING is all about (1+ / 0-)
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      And except during presidential years it's something we really, really, really don't do very well.

      We have this psychological psychosis that REFUSES to nationalize the midterm elections while the Republicans, who delight in doing so make the midterms a lark through the park.

      We are, often, our own worst enemies.

      What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

      by equern on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 09:11:14 AM PDT

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      •  Disagree (5+ / 0-)

        I don't think it's "messaging" so much as having an outlet, or outlets, to get the message out.

        There is no comparison to the right wing media network.  MSNBC is nice, but really now.  Thousands of radio stations all over the country carrying the same crank hosts and local ones.  All pounding away the same right wing talking points and keeping the base keyed into elections, national and local.

        And I'm not sure that there is this "psychological psychosis" that refuses to nationalize the midterms.  What I do see is a MSM that constantly loves to talk about how Democrats nationwide want to run away from the president- whether it's Obama or Clinton.  Now, they also did it for Bush, but come on- there was a REASON for that.

        It goes back to the first point- the right has a media propaganda network for their base.  I don't want a propaganda network but a media one the same size would go a long ways to rectifying this.

        In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

        by Bring the Lions on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:02:42 AM PDT

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        •  What a CONVENIENT cop out. (1+ / 0-)
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          No. The difference is that the Republicans are willing to play a different game. They are willing to DELIBERATELY lie to gain votes, while we stand on our pedestal and point fingers.

          With the possible exceptions of Harry Reid, Elizabeth Warren, and occasionally President Obama, few of the Democrats are PUGNACIOUS enough to really get in the ring and fight.

          Alison Grimes, maybe too.

          Nope. It's not the media, it's the MESSAGE.

          There's still enough social media outlets out there on OUR side to counter the faux-MSM of the right. But one social media outlet that is becoming more and more difficult to gain access to are the comments section of various outlets. In the 2012 cycle it was pretty easy to get on a newspaper site and get the truth out. Now, unless you're a subscriber, that's tougher. I fear that could have a huge impact on the elections this year.

          What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

          by equern on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 01:01:20 PM PDT

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          •  Say What? (0+ / 0-)

            No "cop out" here.

            I don't want to lie.  I don't want the politicians I support to lie.  And as far as I'm concerned, liberals don't NEED to lie.  We have the facts on our side.

            The Republicans/conservatives CAN lie because they have an alternate media universe where no one contests the lie.

            And if you look at a lot of these clowns on the right, they get to lie and never get called on it because they can exist in this entire right wing bubble.  One that not only doesn't exist on the left, but that we DON'T want to have.  Really.

            Oh, I don't know about the newspaper comment sections.  What I've seen is two-fold.  One is being more restrictive to stop trolls and spammers (now you have to post with your real name, for instance).  The other is that they've stopped "giving the product away" and yes, may charge to access the paper (though I've not seen this consistently in the comments section).  But really....there are so many outlets and avenues on the Internet, I really think that isn't a big deal.

            In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

            by Bring the Lions on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 06:02:31 PM PDT

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            •  I am *not* advocating lying! (0+ / 0-)

              It's the old marketing canard, you don't sell the steak, you sell the sizzle. We STINK selling sizzle. It isn't a LIE, there's sizzle to a steak, but HOW you talk about it really does matter. Republicans make it a patriotic duty to savor every speck of the sizzle. Democrats give a chemical analysis of it, and issue a position paper. And then wonder why nobody pays attention.

              It isn't a question of lying. It's a question of MARKETING.

              And we stink. Just like Pepe Le Peu.

              Only it's not funny, it's tragic, because we're so high and mighty on being the saints.

              Wanna be a saint? Join a clergy.  Wanna be in political office? You gotta know how to throw a good punch.

              What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

              by equern on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 09:16:12 PM PDT

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            •  I realize that was slightly unfair. (0+ / 0-)

              I really don't mean to hurt your feelings, get your dander up, or mean to reduce in any way your hopes that we win and win big in November.

              It just gives me heartache knowing that we DO have the truth, and yet time and time, voter after voter votes for the other guy.

              It isn't JUST their propaganda schemes. It's that they've got a better GAME when it comes to the game of politics.

              For example, what's our "theme" for 2014?

              Obamacare or bust?

              Give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to be free...?

              We do kind of have one good one:

              Keep your bibles out of my vagina! (a BIT crude, but it gets the point across)

              What is our rallying cry?

              Why should you go out of your way to vote for a Democrat in November?

              It is August. That is when those decisions are made. I want our people to be thinking of such things, because it will make a difference come November. We have to convince a lot of people that don't otherwise vote D that it's really in their best interest to do so.

              And you can't just stand on the pedestal of "the truth"; Americans have an immense distaste for preachers who don't have a bible in their hand. You need to SELL THEM on the truth.

              That is how you win.

              And that's the truth.

              What separates us, divides us, and diminishes the human spirit.

              by equern on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 10:03:44 PM PDT

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              •  No Harm (0+ / 0-)

                My feelings aren't hurt.  Now run down one of my favorite TV shows or movies and there'd be trouble.

                Seriously....first of all, I'm a political person who always votes.  And I can't abide the Republican party as it currently exists (I didn't like them much before, either).  So voting and voting for the Democrats is a no-brainer.

                I don't need a theme, and I honestly don't think that other voters do either.  Really.

                It's not about TV commercials or any of that stuff.  That's all at the margins.  Instead it's about-

                -are you defining yourself or is the other side doing it?

                -what do you want and can you get it done?

                For one thing, the right has a giant propaganda media network that feeds the base and infects others.  We don't.

                For another, the right is effectively trying to get the powerful more of what they already have, and they use the propaganda to convince the masses that it's in their interest too.  That's how they always seem to get their way, and are so effective at tripping up the other side when they "control" all the levers of power (2009-2010).

                Unlike you and I, some people need to be on the side of the "winners."  Some people need to automatically be superior to somebody else (the poor). Some people need to be aligned with the powers-that-be, even at their own expense.

                I don't know how to reach those people, or if you even can.  But I can see how you get enough of everyone else.

                "Do you like to be ripped off?"  You want the Top 1% to have MORE tax cuts?  That's a rip off.  You (Mr and Mrs Non-Top 1%) are paying for that, or getting less for what you pay for.

                You want to pay for tanks that no one uses while there aren't enough books at your school?  Really?

                You want to have Americans go broke paying for their health care so that executives can get a 6 figure bonus?

                You want to cut food stamps and Social Security so that hedge fund managers pay less in taxes (percentage wise) than you do?

                The framing is easy.  Getting the elected politicians to follow through without being seduced or killed by lobbying dollars is another.

                In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man may be king.

                by Bring the Lions on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 03:06:38 PM PDT

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