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  •  So we should get between the Shia and the Sunni (3+ / 0-)
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    or on one side or another.  I may be one of those unsophisticated American players in the Middle Eastern game, but the Shia and the Sunni need to get to the peace table if they want for themselves, we could be Egypt however and act as go between to start the long painful path to forgiveness and reconciliation that they will need to get to if there is to be some peace sometime within  the Islamic family.  Unless ofcourse they wish to continue on the same old path of historical resentment from the days of succession when Islam was in it's infancy.  

    •  Since "Bandar Bush" and his Carlyle Group (3+ / 0-)
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      made very wealthy people of the Bushes and their allies, we have been playing on the Sunni side.

      ISIS and JTND are fruit from that tree. No way the Saudis, Qatar, Bahrain would have financed them to go after the Shia in Syria without political cover in Washington. Helping their own Sunnis with the drought in Syria -- subsidizing lamb feed lots, for one -- would have been far cheaper, if humanitarian concerns were top priority.

      And yes, ISIS is hopelessly spread out. And they have been losing men by the hundreds.

      •  Yes (4+ / 0-)
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        and let us not forget The Redirection as exposed by Seymour Hersh.

        This is dated but I suspect this is still the strategy we are employing in the region. Note second paragraph below.

        The entire article may be read at the link above.

        The new American policy, in its broad outlines, has been discussed publicly. In testimony before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in January, Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said that there is “a new strategic alignment in the Middle East,” separating “reformers” and “extremists”; she pointed to the Sunni states as centers of moderation, and said that Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah were “on the other side of that divide.” (Syria’s Sunni majority is dominated by the Alawi sect.) Iran and Syria, she said, “have made their choice and their choice is to destabilize.”

        Some of the core tactics of the redirection are not public, however. The clandestine operations have been kept secret, in some cases, by leaving the execution or the funding to the Saudis, or by finding other ways to work around the normal congressional appropriations process, current and former officials close to the Administration said.

        Orwell - "Political language ... is designed to make lies sound truthful and murder respectable"

        by truong son traveler on Tue Aug 05, 2014 at 07:07:49 PM PDT

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        •  Condi Rice is an amazing liar. (3+ / 0-)
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          Sunnis finance and man both Hamas and ISIS. They recruit hundreds of suicide bombers. They worship the flame of Usama bin Laden.

          The Muslim Brotherhood is run by Salafi Sunni.

          But Condi presents the Shia as her agents for instability.

          The argument is so bad, it's not even wrong.

          •  I am confused (3+ / 0-)
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            Hamas received support from Iran until the Syrian conflict created a problem when they would not support Assad.  The Muslim Brotherhood is distinct from, and generally  more moderate than, most of the Egyptian salafis:

            However, in fact the Islamists make up a broad and variegated fabric that ranges from the reclusive Sufis to the jihadist Salafis. There have always been varying degrees of interweaving between the diverse threads of this fabric, between these and other political and intellectual movements and trends in society, and between them and society at large, which forms the environment for such interactions in their constant ebb and flow.

            One area of interaction is that between the Muslim Brotherhood, the largest movement in political Islam, and the Salafis. The latter have become more widespread than the Muslim Brothers and, perhaps, more influential from both the theological/ideological and social standpoints. Indeed, their outlook has attracted many Muslim Brotherhood leaders, which has effectively led the movement away from the “balanced conception” of the Brotherhood’s founder and first supreme guide, Hassan Al-Banna, and towards a Salafist proselytising approach.

            Yet, the relationship between the Muslim Brothers and the Salafis in Egypt requires close and continual observation if we are to understand what has been driving the two sides to either embrace or part ways in tandem with the rush of events and changing perceptions of their respective interests in the fluid political scene that followed the 25 January Revolution.

            Also I do not think it is wise to think of the Syrians as inherently participants in some proxy sectarian war; while it would not be fair to say that sectarianism did not exist, its current resurgence reflects the interests of foreign interference and neo-colonialism (including collaboration with those interests on the part of players like Assad), not some kind of "ancient hatred," which is a favored Western narrative.  It is comparable, in many important ways, to the Hutu and the Tutsi.  

             Again, Assad and similar rulers are simply using this division to play revolutionary factions against one another.  I have friends from Syria whose families are mixed, and facts on the ground have torn their families apart after decades of integration.  We do not have to look very far from home to see how this can happen, racism in many northern cities was exacerbated by ruling class manipulation.  

             Unfortunately, what the Middle East needs, and what is the hardest thing to build, is class consciousness.  And once again ruling class factions have decimated any hope for secular liberal and leftist resistance.  

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