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  •  Steve Jobs had a very slow-growing cancer (9+ / 0-)

    That had already spread years and years before he was diagnosed. He was a goner no matter what.

    The current state of oncology is that people go through treatments that are simply torture and end up with just a couple of extra years of life in exchange.

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    by Crider on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 09:05:10 AM PDT

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    •  Such certainty you have .... (0+ / 0-)

      I prefer the honest, science-based discussion found here.

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      by mikidee on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 04:25:39 PM PDT

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      •  From that pop-sci site you cite: (0+ / 0-)
        Rather, he had the much less aggressive form of pancreatic cancer, a neuroendocrine tumor. These tumors are often indolent and slow-growing.
        So, what is your point?

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        by Crider on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 05:24:33 PM PDT

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        •  C'mon, honey .... (1+ / 0-)
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          That had already spread years and years before he was diagnosed. He was a goner no matter what
          Did you read the article? It's not clear, based on what was  known about his particular condition, how advanced his cancer was when it was first diagnosed. Yet you somehow know "he was a goner no matter what." Bill Frist comes to mind ....

          Unlike your glib and shallow commentary, that "pop sci" link I posted was written by an oncologist who determined reactionary blaming of CAM was just as unsupported as blaming the treatment Jobs ultimately received.

          Here's the thing - if you are agreeing that "biology is king and queen," no matter what treatment Jobs got, then say that. But don't presume to know either how much time or what the quality of that time for Jobs would have been.

          Unlike you, Steve Gorski acknowledged limitations of his knowledge and expertise, and respected the life of the man who died.

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          by mikidee on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 05:56:29 PM PDT

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          •  You neglected the obvious (0+ / 0-)

            If the cancer was so slow-growing, the metastasization would have had to happened a long time prior to it's discovery. In other words, the rate of growth of the tumor was a known fact.

            Now, run along back to your pop-sci dottohead playground.

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            by Crider on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 07:13:25 PM PDT

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    •  Mmm... I had a 5% chance of living (2+ / 0-)
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      due to the extent of my metastases. I was also a "goner." I was treated with heavy, aggressive surgery as well as radioactive iodine and chemotherapy (unusual for my cancer).

      That was about 25 years ago.

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      by mahakali overdrive on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 04:45:45 PM PDT

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