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  •  want clean water... clean up the mess. (3+ / 0-)
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    That's the problem.  Use too much fertilizer on veggies and grain and you still got the same problem.  Gotta clean up your messes.

    A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

    by dougymi on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 08:22:31 AM PDT

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    •  Or don't make the mess to begin with. (9+ / 0-)

      There are agricultural practices and animal husbandry practices that are much kinder to the planet.  

      It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

      by Radiowalla on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 08:36:20 AM PDT

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      •  yep. It's all part of the same thing. (4+ / 0-)

        A learning experience is one of those things that says, 'You know that thing you just did? Don't do that.' Douglas Adams

        by dougymi on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 08:40:45 AM PDT

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      •  no such practices are recognized by the diarist (1+ / 0-)
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        •  Then why did she rec my comment? (2+ / 0-)
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          I think you are making this personal and that doesn't help.  People are going to have different ideas about the problems we face and are going to offer different solutions.  You seem to know a whole lot about the topic and I am glad that you are posting.  

          It's the Supreme Court, stupid!

          by Radiowalla on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 10:14:03 AM PDT

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          •  If the diarist has ever stated what she believes (1+ / 0-)
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            an environmentally sustainable beef cattle operation is and what it consists of, then I'm completely unaware of it.  

            The diarist does not condemn eating of dairy products and dairy production facilities have as high or higher potential water impacts than beef operations.   However the diarist uses dairy products in recommended recipes, so the meat cessation approach does not get transferred to the extremely large dairy portion of the animal agriculture industry under the diarist's entire approach to this issue.

            When the diarist addresses animal agriculture, the overwhelming push is cessation of meat eating and not criteria and identification of sustainable agricultural techniques and facilities.

            Nothing about cessation of meat eating is going to solve or address the western Lake Erie algae problem the diarist alleges to be concerned about.

            Saying the cessation of meat eating will solve or have any impact at all on western Lake Erie algae problems is junk water quality analysis and agricultural engineering.

            •  Pimping my earlier comment: Beef production is (2+ / 0-)
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              much less efficient than dairy.  Limiting beef production will have an impact Lake Erie water quality. Please see my source: Gidon Eshel et al., Land, irrigation water, greenhouse gas. and reactive nitrogen burdens of meat, eggs, and dairy production in the United States.  (on line before publication. Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences (PNAS). (not behind a pay wall.) And then please reconsider your position.

              Life is just a bowl of Cherries, that stain your hands and clothes and have pits that break your teeth.

              by OHdog on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 11:20:08 AM PDT

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              •  You don't identify any common means of (0+ / 0-)

                numerically identifying 'efficiency' between beef production and dairy production.

                No link is provided.   Please provide a link and a citation to exactly where in the document your claim is stated and supported.

                There are no legitimate water quality agencies or scientists that are saying that the solution to western Lake Erie water quality problems will be achieved by eating less beef in Toledo.

                Claiming that cessation or the reduction of beef consumption will make any difference at all in western Lake Erie water quality problems is junk water quality science and junk agricultural science.

                •  Your usual bs LS. Read the reference provided and (1+ / 0-)
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                  then answer any straw man questions you come up with.

                  Life is just a bowl of Cherries, that stain your hands and clothes and have pits that break your teeth.

                  by OHdog on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 04:13:39 PM PDT

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                  •  I would read the material if you had a link since (0+ / 0-)

                    your proclivity to toss off insults instead of actually answering a valid question tells me you may not be so sure about your claims.

                    •  I provided all you need to look up the (0+ / 0-)

                      pre-publication version online. Google Schlolar really works. I don't have time to do all your research for you.

                      Life is just a bowl of Cherries, that stain your hands and clothes and have pits that break your teeth.

                      by OHdog on Thu Aug 07, 2014 at 04:40:44 AM PDT

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