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  •  At the state and local level, I do intend to vote (13+ / 0-)

    for the Democrats because they are the lesser of the evils.   For President, I've drawn a line in the sand and plan to make my stand.   I will not vote for Hillary or any other corporate owned Democrat they decide to run.   I will vote, but not for either of the two corrupt parties.

    I will not vote for Hillary..... #38067

    by dkmich on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 11:29:26 AM PDT

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    •  in the year in which (1+ / 0-)
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      the President is elected, the GA governor doesn't run.  In those years, the only chance to vote Democratic is for President.  What part of that is so hard to understand?   In a state that is fairly lopsided, that doesn't have viable third parties, there really are no choices but not to vote or vote when you can for a Democrat because that is the protest vote.

      Your experience in a state that at least has a chance to be blue is very different than my experience.  My experience however is a valid as yours in determining my positions.

      •  How does your response have anything to do (2+ / 0-)
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        with what I said?    I vote in primaries, school board elections, 2 and 4 year elections....how often I vote has nothing to do with refusing to vote for another bought and paid for politician for President.

        Everybody should vote on principle, and if yours is to vote for the lesser of evils, then do it.

        I will not vote for Hillary..... #38067

        by dkmich on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 12:12:09 PM PDT

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        •  I vote in primaries (2+ / 0-)
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          and local elections, etc.  I merely pointed out that the Georgia elections are set up to keep the Governor out of the federal elections that only occasionally is another federal office on that has a Democrat running, and so in Presidential elections, the only Democrat on my ballot may be President.  So if I want my token announcement on my ballot for my own self recognition that I am a Democrat and they can't stop me from being a Democrat, I vote for the Democrat for President regardless just so I get to vote for a Democrat.   In Georgia that means less than nothing but it means something to me.

          I don't want to vote for Hillary.   Overall I am still happier that Obama is President than John McCain. I am real happy that Sarah Palin was never one heartbeat away from the Presidency.  Just one of my life's little pleasures.

          •  Your ballot sounds depressing as hell. (4+ / 0-)
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            Our Gov. runs in a non-presidential year, too.   But we have County Commissioners, state house and senate, every Republican has a Democrat running against them.   Are you saying all of the non-federal level runs unopposed?   No Democrats run - for anything on a local level?      

            Oh well, it's no wonder so many don't vote.

            I will not vote for Hillary..... #38067

            by dkmich on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 02:39:34 PM PDT

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            •  yes (3+ / 0-)

              we had one guy run as a democrat for county commission, he was elected and then changed parties.

              Once upon a time,  now Gov. Deal was the Democratic Congressman for my district, he switched too.

              But every City Council Member is A Republican except one (not my district) and the one is from the predominantly black part of town (don't let anyone tell you segregation has ended).  Every County Commissioner is a Republican. All state level representatives and state senator from my county are Republicans.  The school board members in the city are all Republicans except the one black member from the predominantly black district.  The county school board members are Republican.  Judges run non-partisan and I think a couple of them are Democrats but they never have to say.   The Sheriff is a Republican.

              The next counties around me don't have any minority majority local areas and almost no minorities (see above for the reality of segregation) and they have no democrats of any kind.

              My congressional district was gerrymandered to be the reddest in the state and the person elected was handpicked by the governor and will be there for years to come I am sure.  I got my impeach Obama email from him the other day.

              So to me, Jason Carter and Michele Nunn are real Democrats worth supporting.  I am sure that if elected to the Senate, Nunn will disappoint on many positions.  But she won't be David Perdue, former CEO of Dollar General, in charge when they were forced to pay back employees for discrimination, drafted by the Party business backers when Michele Nunn was cleaning up in fundraising when only the bat shit types were in the race.

              So yeah, my ballot is depressing as hell.  And I appreciate you seeing a little bit of what it is really like to try to make a difference in a sea of red.

    •  People told me I have no right (7+ / 0-)

      to complain because I opted to not vote for president in 2012. I argue that those who knowingly voted for a man who does not represent their interests, beliefs, and values have no right to complain because they knew what they were getting and should not be shocked by the actions of this administration.

      Oh a few believe that a well worded letter and some prodding will bring Democrats to the light, I guess that is what was being said back then by those of whom I am thinking of, but the outright reason was very simple -- better a Democrat than a Republican even when they admitted they do not believe or support the president. Such things boggle my mind.

      Health insurance is not health care.

      by Jarrayy on Wed Aug 06, 2014 at 11:54:52 AM PDT

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      •  I never said (7+ / 0-)

        I voted for a man that absolutely didn't represent my values.  I voted for a man that represented some of my values very well.   He doesn't represent all of them.  But if I don't run myself (and I probably wouldn't recommend people voting for me if I did) I don't know that I will ever find someone that I agree with 100% or even 90%.  I think if I hit 75% that is probably pretty good.

        And if you can't vote for someone, I am ok with that, I won't tell you not to complain.  But I won't ever agree that a Democrat is exactly like a Republican.  My standard was and has been for quite a while now is that the significant difference is that Democrats will try not to let people starve in the streets.

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