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  •  She isn't the base in New York. (0+ / 0-)

    She is the base in Vermont, though. I've been here in the heart of the heart of the base all my life and never seen her doing a thing for folks around here. Maybe you can clue me in.

    If youre gonna run someone to Cuomo's left...get someone who actually comes from, knows, amd has a track record with Cuomo's left.

    •  Hi Brooklynbadboy! (1+ / 0-)
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      I've seen your posts often on DK and really admire what you do and what you write.  If you say that Zephyr Teachout is not in touch with the progressive/Democratic base where you are (in NYC I presume) then I have no reason to doubt you.  It is a shame.  It is also too bad that no one else is in the primary race, especially now that Cuomo appears to be vulnerable.

      But... to be purely pragmatic here: isn't there anything we can do now?  To get Cuomo out and someone with progressive values in, in a way that wouldn't be doomed to failure?

      You say that you haven't seen Teachout doing anything for folks around you.  And you are an expert on the folks around you and their issues and concerns.  Could she contact you and get your advice?  Or could you connect her with the people that you think should have run (the ones who are established and knowledgable to-the-left-of-Cuomo people.)  I think she would be really open to talk to you (or them.)  It was one of the qualities about her that many of us in the audience in Ithaca admired.  She doesn't have the ego and "slickness" of your typcial politician.  She didn't seem at all uncomfortable to share the limelight with the local experts and learn from what they had to say.

      Maybe I'm being overly optimistic or naive, but I'd like to see us make the most of the situation....

      •  Dont run campaigns like that averblue. (1+ / 0-)
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        Look, without going into too much detail, i know a great deal about political campaigns. Know what the secret sauce is?

        The candidate.

        The quality of the candidate is fundamental. Now, there are two kinds of politicians: those that have the gift naturally, and those who learn it with practice. Most are the latter, fewer are the former, and a very select elite few have both (Bill Clinton for example).

        A good politician, a successful one, needs a certain array of skills to both win elections and govern. Most are better at elections than governing, but some have it vice versa and a very select few have both.

        Now, it is my judgment that there is no point in a political campaign if you can not 1. Win the election and 2. Govern. No point. This is what I mean by a serious candidate. Such a person has the political skills to win and govern and a plausible path to success in doing it. That is the second best way to acheive a political goal. The first is of course to change the views of the voters. Occasionally the two things go hand in hand.

        Teachout is new here. She doesnt have the personal connection with a base constituency in New York's highly ethnic neighborhood and community centric politics. Nor is she an experienced community leader with a track record. Nor does she have a record of success at the ballot box. Nor has she raised a family here, or worked her way up a job ladder here, or built a business here....nothing. Basically, she's a gentrifier who now thinks she ought to run the place.

        On top of all that, she has not demonstrated any of the kinds of political skills one would expect a New York politician to have if he or she is going to have any success at all in Albany. Especially as Governor where you need a vast number of allies and loyalists if you expect to get anything done. This isn't Vermont, whose population I could fit in my neighborhood. This is New York.

        My recommendation is not to ask me because she cant do a thing for my neighbors, but to not bother with vanity campaigns and get serious.
        Run for Assembly or State Senate. Perhaps the city council. Lets see some real local community work. Perhaps establish something. But just spouting off liberal talking points, no matter how much I agree, isnt going to cut it.

        And if youre going to campaign, do it to win and govern. Not to male a statement. Thats what a real politician owes to the people that vote for her.

        •  It's a no-brainer. Does Cuomo have an opponent? (1+ / 0-)
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          Then I will vote for that person.  I don't care how bad they are…I'll never vote for that asshole.  Never.  And if it's the general election, I will either hold my nose and vote for the Republican on the governor's line, or stay home.  

          Shirley Chisholm was right. Our Republic is in deep trouble.

          by Big River Bandido on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 05:50:33 AM PDT

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        •  Can't disagree with most of what you said (0+ / 0-)

          I think it is truly a shame that politics works the way it does.  That serious candidates hold back.  That voters are hard to educate.  That Zephyr Teachout doesn't have more experience or connections or simple New Yorkedness.  That hers looks like what you call a vanity campaign (nice way to describe such things... and yes, I agree there, too -- I'd say people with little experience and few connections ought to start out small, in general....)

          I guess the only place I disagree (but I will nuance my disagreement) is the what-do-we-do-now part.  I'd say: vote for Teachout, figuring that if she wins, it can't be worse than Cuomo.  It could be very chaotic, but we can trust, I think, that she would turn to good people for assistance.  But in agreement with your points, I'd say: if you have limited funds and/or limited time, and want to support candidates beyond simply voting for them, take a look at all the options out there.  Maybe other candidates who are "more serious"  deserve more attention.

          Basically, we can do both, right?  Vote for Teachout (takes almost no extra time or effort if you are already registered for the primary) and find a few serious, electable, candidates to get behind in a bigger way, if you have the time and money.

        •  So if not Teachout, (1+ / 0-)
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          then, who do you want Dems to vote for: Cuomo, or one of the other candidates? And of those other candidates, why do they deserve a vote more than Cuomo or Teachout?

          The problem with your argument is that it's sound in theory, but does not take the political realities into consideration, one of which is that a lot of NY Dems really don't want to vote for Cuomo, no matter the other option.

          "In a country well governed, poverty is something to be ashamed of. In a country badly governed, wealth is something to be ashamed of.” -Confucius

          by pierre9045 on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:10:54 PM PDT

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