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  •  Is not the concern mostly money? (0+ / 0-)

    I don't know that it is a concern about Jewish votes that drives most Democratic candidates to voice unwavering support for Israel.  Presumably it is not voter preference that drives, say, banking policy, and it is not a risk of voter antipathy that drives candidates to support at best tepid regulatory reform that fails to address that sector of the economy.  

     What is the suggestion for incorporating the BDS campaign into the mainstream of the Democratic Party? I am open to this as I plan to go to Democratic state convention this month and would like to know how I can help, if I can.

    •  I'm sure that varies with each district's (1+ / 0-)
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      demographic makeup and the individual candidates' proclivities.  

      "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

      by Lefty Coaster on Sun Aug 10, 2014 at 07:54:44 PM PDT

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      •  but democratic support is consistent (0+ / 0-)

        Across districts and states. So that would seem to support a monetary base of support for Israel, not electoral.

        •  But voters have a fairly even support for Israel (1+ / 0-)
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          across districts as well. The majority of Democratic voters support Israel, that's why the majority of Democratic candidates support Israel. Well, that and AIPAC and other pro-Israel lobbies. But there's no need to buy the Dems on the issue when the majority of their constituents agree with AIPAC, if not completely then mostly.

          No War but Class War

          by AoT on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 07:49:18 AM PDT

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    •  It's not Jewish Votes that drive the (4+ / 0-)
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      conversation, excepting about 15 districts.

      But Evangelical Votes sure do.  There are 30-60 million Americans devoted to the idea that all Jews must be gathered in Israel and the Temple must be re-built.

      And they vote.

      The UN should give Iraq a restraining order against the US.

      by JesseCW on Sun Aug 10, 2014 at 10:06:20 PM PDT

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      •  true (1+ / 0-)
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        But they aren't voting for Democrats, and is there much empirical evidence that this issue drives them to vote?

        •  if 10-20% of them vote Democratic (1+ / 0-)
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          That's comparable, or maybe more, than the number of Jewish Democratic voters.

          Gondwana has always been at war with Laurasia.

          by AaronInSanDiego on Sun Aug 10, 2014 at 10:50:04 PM PDT

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          •  depends (0+ / 0-)

            On district for example and state. I assume negligible numbers in NY and NJ compared to Jewish voters and that reverse is true in South or Midwest for most part. But also about intensity; Jewish voters might have more intense interest in the topic compared to evangelical voter, and both may prioritize other issues well above it. For example Jewish voters are much more socially liberal and probably prioritize that over Israel on average, and same for social conservatism and evangelical voters. In Michigan this issue is rarely subject of intense debate, only recent example I can think of is Smash primary. And he still won over conservative Republican voters in primary.

        •  CUFI is bigger than AIPAC. (1+ / 0-)
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          I'd say the tens of thousands of evangelicals who tour Israel each year and go to the Plane of Meggido to see where Jesus will ride down with fire are probably motivated to vote on this issue.

          The UN should give Iraq a restraining order against the US.

          by JesseCW on Sun Aug 10, 2014 at 11:27:02 PM PDT

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          •  I would agree (1+ / 0-)
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            I think that most are probably also concentrated in areas where that vote is negligible for one reason or another.  But they might also donate on that basis.  But is there reason to think they vote for Democrats? Or that the negligible votes Democrats receive from evangelicals are swayed one way or another by candidate position on conflict?

            •  I don't think they vote for Democrats (much) but (2+ / 0-)
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              I do think they can be excited and motivated to both vote and expend considerable volunteer hours in support of Republicans based on this issue.

              I mean, John McCain didn't kiss Hagees ass for fear his flock would support Obama....but because he wanted that mob to knock doors and phone bank for him.  Not to mention, make sure their own family all got registered and made it to the polls.

              The UN should give Iraq a restraining order against the US.

              by JesseCW on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 12:23:09 AM PDT

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      •  Concentrated in places where Dems lose elections (1+ / 0-)
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        "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

        by Lefty Coaster on Sun Aug 10, 2014 at 11:16:52 PM PDT

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      •  Not even 15 (0+ / 0-)

        My Congressman is Eliot Engel. He will be the Chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee should the Democrats take back control of the US House of Representatives. He is as pro-Israel as you can get. He is Jewish, but the district isn't. In fact, I don't think that there is a single Jewish-majority district in America.

        A right wing anti-Zionist Jewish Republican threatened to run against him a few years ago. I helped end that campaign before it started by helping to embarrass him for his lack of knowledge of issues and his patronizing stance toward liberals and better-educated voters. I'm kind of proud of that.

        •  I doubt there is a single Jewish majority district (0+ / 0-)

          as well.

          But there are 12-15 where a Democrat can't win if Jewish voters overwhelmingly don't turn out or a large percentage vote Republican.

          Eliot Engel is a disgusting racist fuck who supports Apartheid and has walked right to the edge of declaring Arabs sub-human.

          If you were capable of shame, I'd suggest that you might feel it in 20 years when the current version of Dixiecrats - the profoundly racist Anti-Arab creatures in office today - are repudiated.

          The UN should give Iraq a restraining order against the US.

          by JesseCW on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 04:44:19 PM PDT

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      •  And the Christian Zionist meme (0+ / 0-)

        that the Temple needs to be rebuilt so that the Christian Messiah can return is a minority position even among Christian fundamentalists. The ones who hold it are just very loud. There aren't very many of them in the Northeast; I don't miss them.

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