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  •  Lets argue over the label that (3+ / 0-)

    should or should not be applied to what is happening in Iraq .
    Cause the label is what is important .

    "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

    by indycam on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 07:41:53 AM PDT

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    •  ah (1+ / 0-)
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      now maybe it is a coup and subsequent counter coup. but that label isn't important.

      so then what is important?

      •  "what is important?" (1+ / 0-)
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        Who does what , how they do it , who gets hurt , who gains power , who loses power , how one group or the other tries to ...
        Etc Etc Etc .

        "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

        by indycam on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 07:51:00 AM PDT

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        •  "how they do it" is important huh? (1+ / 0-)
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          so then this political coup followed by counter coup (maliki calling in military) is important.

          strange how you just supported my argument that calling this what it is, a political coup followed by a counter coup, is indeed important news.

          •  The whole is it or is it not a "coup" (0+ / 0-)

            is a distraction .

            "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

            by indycam on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 08:13:31 AM PDT

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            •  Tell that to the diarist (2+ / 0-)
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              who started waving it around to distract from last night's diary calling this shit exactly what it is.

              "Counting on people having nowhere else to go is the logic of a slumlord."--Wolf10

              by lunachickie on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 08:23:10 AM PDT

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              •  I read that other diary yesterday . (2+ / 0-)
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                The whole back and forth on its a coup / its not a coup , is a distraction .
                I was teaching a group of technicians how to write a flow chart for a machine , we came to a part and no one could come up with a good technical name for it , I looked at our Violet and asked her to give it a name , she said rosebud .
                So we built a flow chart with all the standard machine part names and one in the middle called rosebud .

                "please love deeply...openly and genuinely." A. M. H.

                by indycam on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 08:33:18 AM PDT

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                •  It's relevant, whether it's a "distraction" or not (0+ / 0-)

                  Today's diarist cites zero-nada-nothing to back it up anyway. If nothing else, last night's diary at  least had credible sources linked in abundance.
                   

                  "Counting on people having nowhere else to go is the logic of a slumlord."--Wolf10

                  by lunachickie on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 08:47:07 AM PDT

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          •  Exactly (0+ / 0-)

            I'd drop a donut on it for trying to weasel your discussion off-track straightaway, but they did such an abysmally bad job of it, it needs to be seen ;)

            "Counting on people having nowhere else to go is the logic of a slumlord."--Wolf10

            by lunachickie on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 08:24:47 AM PDT

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          •  dude (1+ / 0-)
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            the "political coup" you are referring to is just standard, legal parliamentary procedure. Your ignorance is showing.

            •  You just can't make an argument (0+ / 0-)

              without insulting someone, can you?

              Your ignorance is showing.

              "Counting on people having nowhere else to go is the logic of a slumlord."--Wolf10

              by lunachickie on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 09:15:35 AM PDT

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            •  which Maliki responded with counter coup (0+ / 0-)

              so therefore WaPo, in their ignorance according to you, called it a "political coup"...

              http://www.washingtonpost.com/...

              your desperation to keep your bad argument going is showing.

              •  except... (0+ / 0-)

                there they're referring to Maliki's actions as a "political coup," not the president's, contary to what you say here.

                And again, they don't say any kind of coup occurred, they are careful to hedge it with "had all the markings of a political coup" rather than state that it's happened as gjohnsit did. There's a reason they put that phrase in there.

                •  we'll see (0+ / 0-)

                  if our friend gjohnsit was right or not.

                  inherently, a coup is confusing so you call it that by the signs of it...

                  in thailand, it wasn't known for sure that a coup had occurred until the military admitted it days later.

                  so if people just sat around and speculated whether maliki's actions represent a coup or not, like you would prefer, the thing could be done and over and Maliki becomes the new Saddam....

                  on the other hand, if people call what looks and smells like a coup a coup, maybe Maliki will be stopped from his power grab.

                  look how similar this timeline looks... starting with televised address....

                  11:40:

                  Dramatic developments in Thailand as the army chief gives a televised address to say the military has seized power, intending to restore order and enact political reforms.
                  Army chief
                  11:41:

                  Moments before, soldiers sealed off the venue in Bangkok where political factions had been holding talks for a second day and took away the leaders.
                  11:43:

                  Thailand has suffered months of political turmoil, which earlier this month culminated in the court-ordered removal of Prime Minister Yingluck Shinawatra for alleged abuse of power.

                  http://www.bbc.com/...
                  •  too stubborn to admit you were wrong, I guess (0+ / 0-)

                    We are discussing your claim that the selection of a new PM represented a "political coup," which you again repeated just two comments ago. I've asked you what you meant by that, seeing how selecting a new PM was the letter of the law, which by definition a coup is not.

                    The idea that standard parliamentary procedure (followed by parliaments around the world) is a coup of any kind tells me you really have no idea what you're talking about.

            •  Since when (0+ / 0-)

              does a "standard, legal parliamentary procedure" involve military forces?
                 And why is Kerry threatening Maliki "not to make any trouble" if we are still talking about a "standard, legal parliamentary procedure"?

              "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

              by gjohnsit on Mon Aug 11, 2014 at 10:01:44 AM PDT

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              •  i was referring to the pres' actions (0+ / 0-)

                which gnosticator has termed a "political coup." Do you agree with his assesment?

                Constitutional crises of all kinds do not reach the level of coup. You have repeatedly misrepresented your sources. Not a single actual news agency says a coup has occurred, as you do. They are all much more careful to use qualifying terms like "the markings of" and so on. Why is that?

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