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  •  Wilson: "Seattle Seahawks would welcome gay player (18+ / 0-)

    like Michael Sam"

    The link you provided doesn't even mention Russell Wilson, let alone tie him to that creep Driscoll.

    Where does Russell stand?

    The Seahawks Blog February, 2014

    Seahawks quarterback Russell Wilson on Tuesday praised Missouri defensive end Michael Sam for his courage to come out as gay before the NFL draft, saying Seattle would welcome him to the locker room.

    “He’s very courageous to come out and talk about it. You have a lot of respect for somebody that can do that,” Wilson said on MSNBC’s “Morning Joe” TV show, adding, “If he’s on our team, I know that we’ll treat him with utmost respect just like everybody else.”

    ...wispy longings for a time before Elvis and the Beatles, back when "a girl could cook and still would". You know before the troubles.~Hunter.

    by denig on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 03:07:17 PM PDT

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    •  Here ya go (3+ / 0-)
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      Driscoll is purest of pure trash.

      For a few Seahawks fans, the quasi-deification of the quarterback has almost reached uncomfortable levels. Wilson has been very outspoken about his Christian faith, and a few eyebrows have been raised over his apparent friendship with controversial Seattle pastor Mark Driscoll of the Mars Hill megachurch. Driscoll, among other contentious opinions, recently tweeted his belief that all non-Christians are going to hell.

      "I'm a pretty cynical media observer, and with he and Sherman, there have almost been these pro wrestling style narratives created around them," says Seahawks fan Chris Hong. "Russell Wilson is the face, and Richard Sherman is the heel, and every story spins out from those two places. I think Russell Wilson is fine, but I find it very problematic that he hangs out with guys like Mark Driscoll. That just skeeves me out. It's a little too far to the evangelical right than I, as a liberal Seattleite, feel comfortable with. I think people are so happy about the Seahawks they're choosing to pretend he's not hanging out with the Mars Hill folks."

      If you refuse to vote for the Democrat in a Presidential general election, then I hold you personally responsible for any right-wing Supreme Court decision.

      by USA629 on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 03:12:16 PM PDT

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      •  Thanks for those paragraphs, Now I am truly (2+ / 0-)
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        confused about Russell.

        I appreciate the info!

        ...wispy longings for a time before Elvis and the Beatles, back when "a girl could cook and still would". You know before the troubles.~Hunter.

        by denig on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 03:31:20 PM PDT

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        •  He's much like Tony Dungy IMO (4+ / 0-)
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          He probably voted for Obama and is a Democrat due to his life experiences, but is a hard core religious right guy and probably has a lot of reactionary views on cultural issues.

          The fact that he would support Michael Sam on his team doesn't necessarily indicate he is at all supportive of equality.

          If you refuse to vote for the Democrat in a Presidential general election, then I hold you personally responsible for any right-wing Supreme Court decision.

          by USA629 on Tue Aug 12, 2014 at 03:35:41 PM PDT

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        •  That's okay, Russell is a little confused too. (0+ / 0-)

          Football or baseball? NC State or Wisconsin?

          No, I'm not bitter...

          I'll believe corporations are people when one comes home from Afghanistan in a body bag.

          by mojo11 on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 09:46:28 AM PDT

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      •  Your "evidence" is pretty thin. (19+ / 0-)

        Russell Wilson is an outspoken Christian, which will not come as a surprise to anyone who's ever seen his Twitter feed, and he was once interviewed by Mark Driscoll, and... that's all you've got?? One interview does not a friendship make. In fact, I just did a search for both names, and literally every single hit was about that one interview. For all I can tell, that was the only time the two of them have ever met. I believe I'll let Russell Wilson's own words speak for him rather than the beliefs expressed by some guy he met once.

        And even if they were friends, so fucking what?? People are allowed to have friends. I meet people, I make friends with some of them, I sometimes have profound philosophical disagreements about important things with them, but I don't let it get in the way of an otherwise valuable friendship because I'm a fucking adult. That's just the way it works.

        Honestly. People just go out of their way to find reasons to call other people their enemies. I think that's a sad way to live, and life is too short for it.

        •  Good point. (5+ / 0-)

          I'll give an example, if I may.

          I was friends with a guy at work some years ago. He was the type who thought that Fox Nooz was a respectable news network. He, very clearly, believed in the nostalgic "American Dream" of, say, the 1950s and 60s. Heck, he even looked like the Beaver's dad. Or Fred McMurray in "My Three Sons". I'll guess that when he thinks of me he thinks, "Beatnik..." and shakes his head. Or something similar.

          We'd argue politics a bit. He'd come up with Fox talking points. They were usually pretty lame. Such as, "GM should have gone through normal bankruptcy". That's a real quote. I remember that one.

          But we'd keep our arguments pretty short because we knew that we made a better team without that. We agreed on valuing a job well done. And being cheerful about it. And having laughs whenever possible. We were even pretty good at avoiding being mean-spirited with that. We also complained to each other about the aggravations of our jobs.

          I moved onto another department 3 years or so ago and we hardly see each other any morel. But when we do, the old friendship is definitely still there.

          But I hate to think of the people he votes for. Certainly Rs. I know he doesn't vote D. And he's probably okay with Ts.

          So, even if the quarterback and the McPreacher are, or were, actual friends that still doesn't say anything about the Qs politics or social outlook. (References to The Lord gives a hint, though. But not all religious people are jerks, remember.)

      •  The NFL is dominated by the quasi evanjellyhead... (2+ / 0-)
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        The NFL is dominated by the quasi evanjellyheads because gawd blesses them to play a kids game and get paid like corporate CEO's..

      •  A Conversation That Happened Long Ago (7+ / 0-)

        I worked as a teen at a florist grower -- not a store, we worked in the fields and the hot houses.

        There were a couple of ladies who worked in a small building that cut the harvested flowers, put them in bins, readied them for shipment to the retailers, etc.

        They were both quite religious, believing that anyone who did not know Christ was going to hell. Just for context this was way before the internet -- circa 1966.

        I said to them something to the effect of: suppose there was someone who lived in the mountains of Nepal, who never even had a chance to know Christ, yet lived a very Christian life of caring and giving.

        Their response: Nope. Going to hell.

        Me: God knows everything, right? Everything that is going to happen.

        Them: Yes.

        Me: So what you're telling me is that God puts these people on earth knowing they will never have a chance to experience Christ just so they can go to hell.

        Them: crickets

        Yeah -- that's just one reason why I left the flock.

        •  According to old-line Calvinists, absolutely (1+ / 0-)
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          Every soul was predestined for all Eternity to be saved or condemned, and hearing the screams coming up from Hell is one of the best parts of being in Heaven.

          These women don't even know their Predestination. What has been happening to Christian education?

          Here is a modern example.

          Reformed Theological Seminary


          Presented in Partial Fulfillment of the Requirement for the
          Masters of Arts in Biblical Studies Degree by Trevor C. Johnson

          Section IV:
          The saints are aware of those in heaven
          The saints are aware of those in hell
          This knowledge is desirable to the saints

           If the Redeemed in heaven are aware of hell, even
          seeing it, how will they respond? Joy! This knowledge will be contributory to their blessings rather than as a blight upon their joy. It is a good rather than an evil, a blessing instead of a curse, a gift of God, given through the Son, to His bride.

          and a good deal more sick, perverted blasphemy, from my point of view as a Zen Buddhist and former Jew.

          Reformed is the Calvinist term for Calvinists.

          Reformed Theological Seminary (RTS) is a non-denominational, evangelical Protestant seminary. RTS's first campus remains in Jackson, Mississippi, United States though the school has expanded to include several additional campuses.

          In 1966, conservatives from the Presbyterian Church in the United States [PCUS], concerned about the increasing influence of liberalism and neo-orthodoxy in the denomination's seminaries and pulpits, established Reformed Theological Seminary, independent from the PCUS, along "Old School" Presbyterian lines, to educate ministers.

          Back off, man. I'm a logician.—GOPBusters™

          by Mokurai on Wed Aug 13, 2014 at 10:01:16 AM PDT

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