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  •  STL area reporting in (8+ / 0-)

    I'm in a suburb south west of all this. But having this type of thing happen in my area has me feeling very different than if this was in Chicago, LA or New York. It has surprised me. My normally very liberal, root-for-little-man, challenge authority stance is just not feeling it now. And I hate how this is making St. Louis in general look like an oppressive, war-torn, place where no one is safe.

    I agree with many things. I agree that the police have been way heavy handed. I agree that it is fair to expect the police to accurately reflect the ethnic diversity of the community it serves. What I'm having trouble with is people thinking this is cut and dried police brutality on innocent people. This area is one of the worst for crimes. And though STL is one of the worst cities for crime in America, the incidents of violent crime are confined to just a few areas. And north St. Louis is one of the worst. It is not an overstatement to say that every single night there is a shooting or robbery or something being set on fire. I think the police that serve that area are just conditioned that everything there is "going to be bad." It's not a fair judgement but if you constantly keep seeing the same crimes committed by the same demographic, I think you get jaded. I don't know that having a 50/50 white/black force or even a 40/60 would make that different. Cause it is always an "us vs them" attitude that people in those areas have.

    And frankly the violence and looting and burning really piss me off. This is an already struggling suburb that its own residence are destroying for the sake of "protest." It's bullshit. Taking a TV, busting windows and burning down a convenience store is not protest. It's just free for all lawlessness for pleasure sake. The cops see this. And they probably can't even tell anymore who is honestly peacefully protesting and who is going to just be a mob of opportunists. And there have been both. Though what peaceful protest needs to take place at midnight on a Tuesday in a fast food parking lot baffles me.

    Each knee jerk reaction from one side creates a knee jerk reaction from the other. I'm loosing sympathy for both sides. The truth is somewhere in the middle of all these stories we are heaving. I just wish everyone would quiet down, calm down and look for rational, reasonable and lawful way to find some solutions.

    "Even in the wizarding world, hearing voices isn't good."

    by SnoKat on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 06:21:27 AM PDT

    •  Huh! (4+ / 0-)

      "Each knee jerk reaction from one side creates a knee jerk reaction from the other".

      What does that mean?

    •  Ah Yes (7+ / 0-)

      right on schedule.  The "so many darkies are violent criminals, so of course the cops act that way" excuse.

      Sigh.

      I really need to renew my efforts on finding a way to leave this country.  

      Attitudes like the one above will help keep racism alive.  So many here and other places love to use the standard - "oh, it's not that bad", "oh, don't be so sensitive", "oh, stop playing the race card", "oh, if so many of you weren't so lazy, criminal and violent", and my favorite, "they deserved it because...".  

      This is why nothing has really changed.  Why the photos from the civil rights movement, complete with armed to the teeth cops and snarling dogs look just like the ones from yesterday.

      Doesn't matter if us darkies can maybe be president, or a high powered lawyer if you can't ride in your car in peace.  A dead nigger is still a dead nigger, isn't it?

      •  Don't put words in my mouth (3+ / 0-)

        I am 100% in support of all race equality and I said nothing that could be construed as otherwise.

        I'm speaking as a resident of the city and what I see and hear every day. I could go on and on about the socio-economic issues and prejudices and cyclical poverty that created these inequalities and work to keep these communities in constant struggle. I realize that this situation was created by frustration and desperation on both sides.

        My general message is not that one side needs to back down and behave but that BOTH sides need to find a peaceful, un-destructive way to address the issues and changes that need to be made. There is lawlessness on BOTH sides.

        "Even in the wizarding world, hearing voices isn't good."

        by SnoKat on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 06:52:06 AM PDT

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        •  I didn't put any words in (0+ / 0-)

          your mouth.

          You said yourself both sides blah, looting blah blah.

          I still say that those words you first said and then repeated convey the sentiment of "well, the cops aren't really doing anything wrong, what do you expect when those black people behave so violently".   What other way should "both sides" blah blah, be taken?

          Let's see...one side is a militarized police force, that systematically oppresses people.  The other side is just a bunch of regular people, going about their everyday business.  Most good, some bad  - just like white people.  But somehow, on more occasions end up dead or in jail.

          My point is this, the piggies in the Kevlar blankets don't have a side.

      •  Except now instead of firehoses it's semiauto fire (4+ / 0-)
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        tikkun, Teiresias70, Creosote, jts327

        Don't wash them away - BLOW them away.

        Absolutely terrifying how much and how fast this has escalated - I no longer recognize this country, it's become a monstrous parody of itself.

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 07:05:54 AM PDT

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      •  Not "darkies". (0+ / 0-)

        The commenter said "demographic."

        See? That's better.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 07:32:01 AM PDT

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