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  •  They have the same training, they were military (12+ / 0-)

    Since the first Gulf War local police have been targeting veterans.

    The problem is that many of those veterans that chose to go into the police forces are the ones with power trips and they carried the war mentality into the police force.

    so not only are they equipped like the military, they treat their "territory" like a war zone. They're not serving the public anymore, they're fighting a war against us.

    •  Spouse and I have been discussing this. (14+ / 0-)

      A logical and available job opportunity for returning vets is with local police forces.  They bring their training with them, but in many cases it's not appropriate.  They also bring, as you note, a mentality of us against them, so civilians become the enemy.

      It would be interesting to do a serious study of the impact of war on domestic police forces in the following decade or two.

      •  unless they were trained as MPs... (1+ / 0-)
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        the training they have isn't appropriate. I'd guess that what the people in charge want is obedience, which veterans usually have in abundance.

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        by dougymi on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 08:22:13 AM PDT

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        •  This is painfully obvious because they are (2+ / 0-)
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          violating all the rules when dealing with an occupied people. The difference is that rules of engagement and display of intent are strictly enforced by the UCMJ and status of forces agreements. Generally, you need the people to at least believe that you have good intentions. It is no secret that sociopaths are naturally going to be attracted to military, police, correction officers, etc...but in the military it is acknowledged as par for the course and therefore tempered with the discipline of command and hundreds of hours of academic and practical training.

          Now, if you remove said sociopath from that disciplined environment and allow him to be all that he can be....well, there you go.

          This is not to suggest that our nation's armed forces or even the police are all sociopaths. In fact, I can say that is quite the opposite, but what you are seeing across this country is a fraternity of men within the larger scope of the police that are bereft of that discipline taking the reigns and perpetuating their opinion that they are an occupying force. They need to be identified and reigned in.  

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          by nutherhumanbeing on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 01:57:32 PM PDT

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    •  Sprinkle in some PTSD among these former (5+ / 0-)

      soldiers.....and you have a recipe for disaster.

      "I did not have sex with that bridge"

      by Scottsdalian on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 08:03:57 AM PDT

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    •  The core of the original Nazi party... WWI vets (2+ / 0-)
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      and the police in Weimar Germany too. Too many out of a job and trained for war.

      All armed and ready to fight or beat up whatever enemy they are exhorted to hate... union organizers, leftists, minorities...

      Kind of a scarily similar pattern.

      Pogo & Murphy's Law, every time. Also "Trust but verify" - St. Ronnie (hah...)

      by IreGyre on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 08:25:13 AM PDT

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    •  Whatever their training, whatever their mindset, (0+ / 0-)

      if that were a problem for civilian work as LEOs then SOMEONE should have cracked down on them already. But it would appear that those who are running these departments have no serious objections to their hyped-up and hostile forces. Accountability starts from the top down.

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      by peregrine kate on Thu Aug 14, 2014 at 09:05:24 PM PDT

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