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  •  I've seen you repeat this idea (11+ / 0-)

    Several times, Kathy.

    It's true that we need to get decent candidates on the ballot and GOTV in Ferguson and areas like it. But you seem to be plunking the idea into the middle of diaries about the violence in Ferguson, as though simply voting would have prevented it.

    Except it's not true. Occupy was attacked by police in some of the most liberal cities in the country.

    Frankly, your voting comments in violence diaries seriously feel like victim-blaming, especially when discussing working class citizens for whom it's often difficult to get to the polls on Election Day.

    This is a multi pronged problem. Police brutality  is police brutality.  Voting is voting. There is some overlap. But perhaps not as much as you might think. (Just read up on the recent history of police brutality in Seattle, a city with liberal government,  for example)

    Please consider that.

    Thanks.

    © grover


    So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

    by grover on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 10:49:25 AM PDT

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    •  Sorry I think the emphasis should be on voting (3+ / 0-)
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      because that is what can be changed. Blaming white privilege and history, two things that can't be changed, does nothing.

      I am not trying to go back in time and prevent anything, I am trying to go forward in time. The people with their hands up protesting sends the right picture to the world.

      Now I want to see voter registrations in all of those hands, that will change the picture. If votes were so ineffectual, why to the Koch's spend so much money buying them.

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      by 88kathy on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 10:58:34 AM PDT

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      •  What WILL change police brutality is (6+ / 0-)

        What President Obama has started. Department of Justice investigates an incident, then perhaps another (the "other" could be the man false arrested then charged with property damage for bleeding on uniforms) , then starts looking for patterns (including Ferguson PD's acts during protests).

        I mentioned Seattle:

        Seattle Times staff reporters
        Justice Dept.: 'Systemic' excessive force at SPD
        Report: Investigation of the Seattle Police Department

        A federal civil-rights investigation into the Seattle Police Department has found routine and widespread use of excessive force by officers, and city and police officials were told at a stormy Thursday night meeting that they must fix the problems or face a federal lawsuit, according to two sources.
        ...

        The sources confirmed the city will get a chance to work with the Justice Department to address the issues, or it will face a federal lawsuit that could result in fines, penalties and even the appointment of an outside special master to oversee the Police Department.


        http://seattletimes.com/...

        (Highlighting mine)

        There have been local police departments that have been overseen by DOJ until they cleaned up their act.

        It's DOJ's role to do this.

        There are options.  We can make a difference. Contacting our federal representatives and the White House is important at this point.

        And as I said, supporting local progressive groups, helping with GOTV also are important.

        But these are parallel tracks. The city has systemic issues that improved leadership would solve. But I'm not seeing a lot of intersection here. Why? Because virtually every mayor in America stands behind his/her police force. Changing the mayor doesn't change a lot right away; we also have to get the police department under control. Changing the school board doesn't change much with the police force.

        We need to make sure DOJ does its job.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 11:24:34 AM PDT

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        •  I think if there is one thing we have learned (1+ / 0-)
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          there is no right away in this situation. Thinking there is a right away is like thinking you are going to lose 20 lbs in a weekend. Right away needs to get out of the vocabulary. Right away is a sucker punch.

          And yes what President Obama is doing is very important and can make things change. I am happy with the way he handles these situations. But he is not going to kick us through the goal posts of democracy here.

          Use REDUNDANT safety when hauling precious cargo-- Use open source E-Z Baby Saver -- Andrew Pelham, 11yo inventor E-Z Baby Saver

          by 88kathy on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 11:42:34 AM PDT

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        •  There is a still small voice in Ferguson. (0+ / 0-)

          Check out my new sig line which is really a link to a comment which posts a picture you will probably never see again. Because voting doesn't work.

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          by 88kathy on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 01:44:46 PM PDT

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          •  Yeah. (1+ / 0-)
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            Because voting doesn't work.
            That's exactly what I said:
            And as I said, supporting local progressive groups, helping with GOTV also are important.
            And here:
            It's true that we need to get decent candidates on the ballot and GOTV in Ferguson and areas like
            And in other comments in other diaries, like where I said this:
            Dems have to do better. Souls to the Polls has to organize here. Every progressive group has to commit to areas like Ferguson across the country.
            There is a moral imperative here. Kids need representatives on school boards. Citizens need representatives in local government.
            All politics is local.
            We need to get this right. We're losing our sons and daughters and brothers and sisters because we don't commit to helping each other.
            Exactly what I said.

            /eyeroll.

            © grover


            So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

            by grover on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 03:24:49 PM PDT

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    •  Thank you because I'm just too angry (1+ / 0-)
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      to reply to that.

    •  true: (4+ / 0-)
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      Occupy was attacked by police in some of the most liberal cities in the country.
      NYC, Oakland CA, UC Davis...in blue states it seems, cops are equally as brutal, only more indiscriminately so.

      These days, none of us dare feel safe from the possibility of mad-dog-police-mentality

      "Show up. Pay attention. Tell the truth. And don't be attached to the results." -- Angeles Arrien

      by Sybil Liberty on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 11:13:29 AM PDT

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    •  As has been noted elsewhere... (1+ / 0-)
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      ...this is a political site.  Considering that, comments on the neede to increase voter turnout in off-year elections seems very relevant here.

      Blacks are the majority of the voting eligible population in Ferguson, which means that the potential power to change things is there.  If black voters in Ferguson start claiming that power by voting, the potential for real change to happen is there.

      If Democrats proclaim the the Earth is round and Republicans insist it is flat, we will shortly see a column in the Washington Post claiming the the earth is really a semi-circle.

      by TexasTom on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 11:23:42 AM PDT

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      •  Ok. (2+ / 0-)
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        As I just typed above:

        It's DOJ's role to do this.
        There are options.  We can make a difference. Contacting our federal representatives and the White House is important at this point.
        It helps when a political site knows which branch of the government does what. The executive branch is what will effect the most change the fastest here. That is where we concentrate our attention right now while the the city's citizens suffer.

        When someone is having a heart attack, the best thing is to get them into a hospital where the fastest care can be had. Once the initial suffering is over, we can discuss the fact that the patient really need to exercise.

        A victim in throes of pain will only hear "you aren't doing enough" as victim blaming.  

        A political site should know this.

        Anyhow, that's just my 2 cents. Add another $4.03 and you can get a Venti latte at Starbucks.

        © grover


        So if you get hit by a bus tonight, would you be satisfied with how you spent today, your last day on earth? Live like tomorrow is never guaranteed, because it's not. -- Me.

        by grover on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 11:34:03 AM PDT

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