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  •  Same mistake that Hillary made in 2008 (12+ / 0-)

    She took the minority and young voters for granted and Obama didn't.  In no way will Hillary be able to expand on the Obama coalition. Not with the way she is attacking the first AA president who is beloved by AAs. Not with her views on the child refugees.

    Sinbad on dodging sniper fire in Bosnia - "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

    by askew on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 06:55:11 PM PDT

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    •  She's not attacking Obama personally (1+ / 0-)
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      I agree that she isn't the exciting charismatic candidate that Obama is by any means.  But she isn't the dud or the center-right politician everyone here seems to suggest.  She's solidly center-left, only a touch to the right of Obama.

      BTW, why do you dislike Hillary so much?  I understand preferring a different/better candidate (as I've said before I'd prefer Patrick if I thought he would be as electable), but you (among others) seem to have venom for her.

      And it will take a very very strong candidate to beat Hillary in a primary.  Obama was a once in a generation candidate, and he barely beat her in 2008.

      If you refuse to vote for the Democrat in a Presidential general election, then I hold you personally responsible for any right-wing Supreme Court decision.

      by USA629 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 07:05:08 PM PDT

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      •  I don't think Hillary has the character, (13+ / 0-)

        temperament or political skills to be president. Her lie that I reference in my signature would be disqualifying for any other candidate. She lies with an ease that is disturbing. She accomplished almost nothing in the Senate while taking credit for other Senators's work. She started a lot of the racist attacks that Obama has had to deal with his entire presidency. Her behavior during the primary was not presidential whether it was her lies, her trying to cheat to get MI/FL delegates counted for her, etc.

        I don't dislike her as a person. She just isn't a good choice to lead this country and it makes me angry that the media and the party is trying to shove her down our throats and not give us a choice.

        Sinbad on dodging sniper fire in Bosnia - "What kind of president would say, 'Hey, man, I can't go 'cause I might get shot so I'm going to send my wife...oh, and take a guitar player and a comedian with you.'"

        by askew on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 07:16:43 PM PDT

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        •  You'll have a choice in the primary (2+ / 0-)
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          She just isn't a good choice to lead this country and it makes me angry that the media and the party is trying to shove her down our throats and not give us a choice.
          and we'll see if there is a better candidate.  I'm not completely ruling it out, because Hillary was an overwhelming favorite in 2008 as well. Heck by late October 2007 Hillary was polling in the 50s in the Democratic primary and it appeared Obama was not ready for prime time, and his Chicago supporters were concerned about being embarrassed.  Then Obama found his voice, ran the best campaign of our lifetime, and inspired and won the votes of millions who were initially satisfied to a Hillary Presidency.

          But you'll need someone that strong in organizing and campaigning, and I don't see one.

          If you refuse to vote for the Democrat in a Presidential general election, then I hold you personally responsible for any right-wing Supreme Court decision.

          by USA629 on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 07:28:14 PM PDT

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