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  •  She has but slight chance (5+ / 0-)

    of winning.  Despite honesty's universal absence, sincerity and integrity are what voters want.

    She is the wiser and better leader, but not because of unwavering idealism.  Rand Paul's outsider (read "sincere") status and seeming straightforwardness (read "integrity") may easily tip the balance to "for God's sake we must get these bribed and corrupt creeps out!"

    I aim to live in agreement with Benjamin Franklin's admonition to "Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty."

    by delonix on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 07:05:02 PM PDT

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    •  Oh geezus yet again, here we go (4+ / 0-)

      Hillary-sucks diary No. 7,462.

      Now with extra Rand Paul!

      I don't know why I still bother to say:  This is utter bullshit on multiple levels.  Because the haters here won't be happy until 2000 repeats itself (yeah I know; like I do).

      Rand Paul.

      For God's sake.  Just please stop.

      •  You did not read what was written (11+ / 0-)

        in my post.  You read a reply to a script in your head.  

        I do not hate Hillary, nor did I denigrate her, nor imply her lacking the skill (and more).  Reply to my post, not your phantoms, please.  I am her big supporter.  I shall vote for her. I just think "tired voter" means actively seeking an "honest NON-POLITICIAN."  Ha.

        Because most such non-politicians are disastrous pawns of a skilled lobbyist, unmoving zealots, and unwaveringly faithful to Laissez-faire phantoms, we have TEA on the Right and Fascism on the Left.

        But the exhaustion with gridlock has made an opening for a perceived statesman.  I doubt that Mrs. Clinton would be seen as untainted, however "the best" she may be.

        I aim to live in agreement with Benjamin Franklin's admonition to "Wrong none by doing injuries, or omitting the benefits that are your duty."

        by delonix on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 09:09:32 PM PDT

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      •  You don't see a problem with the idea... (9+ / 0-)

        Of the 2016 Democratic nominee being on the wrong side of public opinion when it comes to foreign policy and military intervention? Or that she seriously seems to think that by intervening into Syria early on, that we could have controlled the make-up of rebel groups in the region? I see a real big problem there.

        How is she going to respond when she's challenged with the idea of being the quintessential establishment figure during a period in which the American public largely feels that the political establishment has failed in addressing their concerns?

        Does she think she can triangulate and fence-walk her way into the Presidency?

        •  This is potentially a major problem (3+ / 0-)
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          I'm fairly sure Paul won't be the nominee.  It may not matter, because the Republicans are so guaranteed to end up running someone who panders to racists, homophobes, sexists, and whining miserable billionaires.

          But running on a "we need more war in the middle east" platform is utterly insane.

          It signals a cluelessness.

          Hillary Clinton may be the last person alive to believe that some pseudo-sophisticated Sunday morning babble show that was last watched by someone in 2011, or some crank editorial in the Washington Post that nobody except her read, is relevant.

          Turnout and youth vote will drop off like crazy if she campaigns as a clueless warmonger.

          •  Agreed. Rand Paul would be an awful President... (0+ / 0-)

            As would any GOP nominee. But Rand Paul is absolutely on the right side of public opinion when it comes to foreign policy and civil liberties/government overreach. People are not going to respond well to Hilary's brand of foreign policy.

      •  Not a Hillary sucks diary (5+ / 0-)
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        askew, shaharazade, Patate, MPociask, Matt Z

        Its a reality based diary that makes the case that HRC could end up being a week candidate against the likes of a Rand Paul. Diarist is right - she can't win without the Obama coalition and specifically strong AA support and turnout. Her Atlantic interview wasn't helpful in that regard.

        KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

        by fcvaguy on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 04:14:33 AM PDT

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      •  I had a conversation a few months ago with a yo... (2+ / 0-)
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        I had a conversation a few months ago with a young man (30ish) working in a Democratic state governors office. Very informed and engaged politically. He stated to me that if Hillary was the candidate he was likely jumping to Rand Paul. Knocked me off my chair.

        •  Did he say why? (0+ / 0-)

          I'm curious to know why a "very informed and politically engaged" Democrat would support Rand Paul. I can understand why they wouldn't, or at least be reluctant, to support Clinton, but Paul? I'm curious.

          •  Maybe because llike many (1+ / 0-)
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            young Democrat's he is sick and tired of having to vote for the lesser evil and isn't buying fear of the right wing. Rand Paul is a major racist sexist asshole but he supports or at least pays lip service to civil rights and the rule of law and doing away with the drug war. These are all stupid and evil wars and younger people don't see much difference other then variations on a theme on the Democratic side.

            Maybe it also has something to do with their getting burned by the Obama campaign which they perceive was a bait and switch.  Perhaps if the Democrat's actually implemented and fought for democratic values and rights here in der Homeland and globally they would not lose the votes of the young people and minorities.

            My granddaughter a young millennial has many friends who support Paul. She doesn't but she is thoroughly disillusioned with this administration and the Democratic party. Especially in regards to the 'endless war' civil and human rights and economic justice. She is like most of her contemporaries wired into the world at large and doesn't operate on fear of other.

            Information rather then political propaganda on the TV influences her world view and values. She really doesn't like Paul's stance on women's reproduction rights. I hear her arguing politics with her friends and it makes me sad that a young liberal has to work so hard to make a case against the likes of Rand Paul and try to feebly defend the Democratic positions which are at this point hard to  defend.      

      •  No, actually (0+ / 0-)

        it is a "Mainstream Democrats suck" diary.

        If Democrats can't put up some generic PSA type ads pointing out why Libertarians are historically handicapped dimwits, they deserve to live under Rand Paul for 8 horrific years.

        "...we live in the best most expensive third world country." "If only the NEA could figure out all they have to do is define the ignorance of the next generation as a WMD..." ---Stolen from posts on Daily Kos

        by jestbill on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 08:56:09 AM PDT

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