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    were not really organized either. they had the church based protest groupings, and other little groups, but when the public revolt came, these groups were as surprised as anyone else. The revolt happened spontaneously, by a multitude of people seeing and being finally fed up at the same time. It was very risky business

    •  If you say so. I was watching it from Austria (1+ / 0-)
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      at the time and had spent plenty of time in East Germany.

      Someone was organized. I think we all know whom: The West.

      I assume you say this because you were there. I was not in Berlin, but I WAS in Europe.

      "To take another person's life from the bench is no better than to take another person's life from the street"

      by commonmass on Sun Aug 17, 2014 at 10:55:35 PM PDT

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      •  Hi .. belatedly (1+ / 0-)
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        no .. most decidedly not. I was not in the East, I was in the West living face to face with the fence. Family parts were in the East.

        In the East German story you have to distinguish two phases. One was the actual revolt, which can be measured from before the border party in Austria, until the wall was opened. This was genuine revolution - the west did nothing to foment it, it was actually fearing it because of the Tian an men scenario. And it was a close call in East germany.

        Then when the revolution had won (when Honnie was replaced by this smileyface whose name I have already forgotten) THEN the western operatives streamed in. And that was a disgusting thing to behold. Before the year was out (the wall fell on 9 Nov) the east germans had been disowned from their own revolution, and were being taken over wholesale by western profiteers.

        But, the second - it is a blemish on the course of history - but it is not a blemish on the courage and originality of the East Germans who did the uprising.

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