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  •  No, it does not mean a death sentence. (2+ / 0-)
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    That being said,  if you smoke pot, commit a robbery by stealing $59 worth of cigars and run from the police, you are more likely to be arrested, and might get shot if you resist or allegedly try to grab a police officer's gun.  

    There are enough independent people investigating this now that the truth will undoubtedly come out.  Sadly, the minds of many people are already made up, both ways.  

    Much madness is divinest sense, much sense divinest madness.

    by SpamNunn on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 10:25:04 AM PDT

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    •  So, the people who witnessed (26+ / 0-)

      the shooting, whose accounts are corroborated by the forensic reports, aren't independent enough for you ?

    •  This is a disgusting statement (46+ / 0-)

      1. Pot does not make one violent.
      2. The cop did not know about the shoplifting, nor did the store owner report it or press charges.
      3. Brown was running for his life because the cop had already shot at him.
      4. You neglect all the other known facts, like four unrelated eyewitness reports he was surrendering. Like the fact that cops NEVER once checked his vitals or allowed a nurse to render aid.

      So yeah, my mind is made up. Sounds like your mind is made up too. Why, because the kid was 6'4," black and talked back to the cop cussing at him?

      Of the almost 1,900 dead Palestinians, the IDF said it killed "900 terrorists" in Gaza. Add that to its long list of lies.

      by pajoly on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 10:31:43 AM PDT

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    •  HR for repeating right-wing propaganda. (7+ / 0-)

      The officer did not know Michael Brown had stolen cigars. Cigars and his murder are not related.

      •  Who said it was? (0+ / 0-)

        That still makes it more likely that you might be arrested.   Try the decaf.  

        Much madness is divinest sense, much sense divinest madness.

        by SpamNunn on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 10:52:09 AM PDT

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        •  Do you mean it makes you more likely to be (1+ / 0-)
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          arrested for smoking pot (still illegal in most states), or are you saying it causes you to behave in a way that causes you to get arrested?

          •  Both. More likely to be arrested and more likely (1+ / 0-)
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            to exercise bad judgment.  I can vouch for the latter from personal experience.  

            Much madness is divinest sense, much sense divinest madness.

            by SpamNunn on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 12:41:06 PM PDT

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            •  YOUR personal experience - not anyone else's. (2+ / 0-)
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              I have been a cannabis user for decades - it has NEVER caused me to exercise bad judgement, in any way that would get me arrested. I have known dozens of people who used marijuana regularly, and have never seen or even heard of one of them, getting 'high' and then behaving in a way which was likely to get them arrested. Most of them never left the house when they were under the influence.

              And yet I've known many people, who have too many beers, and confront cops aggressively, damage personal property, steal and start fights in public.

              In no universe, does the presence of THC in one's bloodstream, corroborate that they might be behaving in a criminal way, or that their judgement is impaired. Particularly since THC stays in your system for hours or days after the effects have worn off.

              •  Only in the universe the rest of us live in. (0+ / 0-)
                In no universe, does the presence of THC in one's bloodstream, corroborate that they might be behaving in a criminal way, or that their judgement is impaired.
                Effects: Pharmacological effects of marijuana vary with dose, route of administration, experience of user, vulnerability to psychoactive effects, and setting of use.

                Psychological: At recreational doses, effects include relaxation, euphoria, relaxed inhibitions, sense of well-being, disorientation, altered time and space perception, lack of concentration, impaired learning and memory, alterations in thought formation and expression, drowsiness, sedation, mood changes such as panic reactions and paranoia, and a more vivid sense of taste, sight, smell, and hearing. Stronger doses intensify reactions and may cause fluctuating emotions, flights of fragmentary thoughts with disturbed associations, a dulling of attention despite an illusion of heightened insight, image distortion, and psychosis.

                Physiological: The most frequent effects include increased heart rate, reddening of the eyes, dry mouth and throat, increased appetite, and vasodilatation.

                Side Effect Profile: Fatigue, paranoia, possible psychosis, memory problems, depersonalization, mood alterations, urinary retention, constipation, decreased motor coordination, lethargy, slurred speech, and dizziness. Impaired health including lung damage, behavioral changes, and reproductive, cardiovascular and immunological effects have been associated with regular marijuana use. Regular and chronic marijuana smokers may have many of the same respiratory problems that tobacco smokers have (daily cough and phlegm, symptoms of chronic bronchitis), as the amount of tar inhaled and the level of carbon monoxide absorbed by marijuana smokers is 3 to 5 times greater than among tobacco smokers. Smoking marijuana while shooting up cocaine has the potential to cause severe increases in heart rate and blood pressure.

                Duration of Effects: Effects from smoking cannabis products are felt within minutes and reach their peak in 10-30 minutes. Typical marijuana smokers experience a high that lasts approximately 2 hours. Most behavioral and physiological effects return to baseline levels within 3-5 hours after drug use, although some investigators have demonstrated residual effects in specific behaviors up to 24 hours, such as complex divided attention tasks. Psychomotor impairment can persist after the perceived high has dissipated. In long term users, even after periods of abstinence, selective attention (ability to filter out irrelevant information) has been shown to be adversely affected with increasing duration of use, and speed of information processing has been shown to be impaired with increasing frequency of use. Dronabinol has an onset of 30-60 minutes, peak effects occur at 2-4 hours, and it can stimulate the appetite for up to 24 hours.

                http://www.nhtsa.gov/...

                Much madness is divinest sense, much sense divinest madness.

                by SpamNunn on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 07:18:33 AM PDT

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                •  Nope, again only you. (0+ / 0-)
                  Pharmacological effects of marijuana vary with dose, route of administration, experience of user, vulnerability to psychoactive effects, and setting of use.
                  Nothing you posted confirms your blanketed statements. Most marijuana users will NEVER experience panic attacks, altered time and space perception, image distortion, psychosis, or half of the other symptoms you listed - and that doesn't even list all potential effects of THC. The bulk of people get relaxed, hungry and giggly, not much else - to varying degrees, depending on the THC concentration and how much they consumed and how they absorbed it.

                  That SOME people will behave in irresponsible ways when 'high' is true. That most people will do so, which would corroborate that the presence of THC is indicative of criminal behavior and an inability to make rational judgments, is utter crap.

                  You might as well argue that, because SOME people get violent when they drink, the presence of alcohol in one's system is indicative they are currently prone to violence.

                  Over 100 million Americans have used marijuana. Most of those people never had their judgement impaired, to the point where they might commit a crime (other than the use of the drug itself). THAT's the universe we live in.

                  That is also a poorly sourced article. Only two of the studies they list are less than 15 years old - and a few are from the 70s. Recent studies have hotly contested the notion that long-term use causes degradation of reaction times or motor impairment.

                  •  Most people sit on the couch and eat Doritos. (0+ / 0-)

                    What's your point?

                    If it is was to demonstrate that using a mind altering substance will never impair your judgment, or get you in trouble, you failed.  

                    Much madness is divinest sense, much sense divinest madness.

                    by SpamNunn on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 06:27:44 AM PDT

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                    •  It's your points in question, not mine. (0+ / 0-)

                      "More likely to be arrested and more likely....
                      to exercise bad judgment."

                      I made no such claim about marijuana or THC. You made claims, which you failed to back up with facts.

                      In point of fact, because so many people do become lethargic and sedentary, it could easily be argued that the presence of THC in one's system makes them LESS likely to commit a crime or exercise criminally negligent judgement.

                      The presence of THC in one's bloodstream, indicates nothing more or less, than they have ingested THC in the last few days - if they are regular users, possibly any time in the last 2 weeks. You can test their motor functions and short-term memory access, to determine if they are impaired. But any test for THC gives you no indication of the impairment of the individual. Perhaps, in time, such scale-based testing will exist.

                      But until such technology is developed, treating the use of THC as indicative of criminal or irresponsible behavior, is akin to stating that a person with a .001 blood alcohol level is committing a DUI.

    •  I guess it's more important for you to play (10+ / 0-)

      devil's advocate than it is for you to take heed of the genuine, wholly understandable anger in the air right now.

      If you were attentive to the way people were feeling, you might think to yourself, "you know, maybe I'll keep this random, fugitive thought to myself. Because it serve's no one's purposes right now. And besides, I have no more information than the folks that I'm criticizing."

      Nothing requires a greater effort of thought than arguments to justify the rule of non-thought. -- Milan Kundera

      by Dale on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 10:52:03 AM PDT

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    •  At the worst Brown left the scene but then stopped (10+ / 0-)

      when he heard the first gunshot.  He didn't just stop, but based on the autopsy description and eyewitness statements, he had his hands/arms in the air when shot. It makes no difference what he had or had not done, at the point his hands were in the air he ceased being a threat. If the lethal head shot was the last one fired than Officer Wilson is guilty of Murder.

      We give cops a badge and gun, and along with that is the implied trust that they will act in a manner consistent with the law.  Wilson needs to be charged, arrested and tried in a courtroom,

      "The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil, but because of the people who don't do anything about it." Albert Einstein

      by sfcouple on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 10:53:00 AM PDT

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      •  Exactly (3+ / 0-)
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        Even IF he was a suspect (which he may not have been), we are not supposed to summarily execute suspects in the streets in America.
        They are supposed to get their day in a court of law.

        Those are ISIS tactics and supposedly we "fought the terrorists over there, so we wouldn't have to fight them over here"

        Wasn't that the reason given for the thousands of American lives sacrificed and the trillions of dollars spent in Iraq and Afghanistan.
        Yet we have what might be an execution in broad daylight on a public street right here in America.
        America needs to start making sense.

        And yes, the police officer who did the shooting needs to have his day in court too, after an HONEST investigation.
        That's the way the system is supposed to work.

    •  You forgot to add "WHILE BLACK" (7+ / 0-)
      you...might get shot if you resist or allegedly try to grab a police officer's gun (editors note: WHILE BLACK).
       

      Especially if your hands are up in the air and you are 20 feet away.  That really pisses off cops.   Really not sure how Michael Brown grabbed the officers gun from 20 feet away.  But if he tried to grab it earlier and yet, amazing the officer still had his gun...
      THAT IS STILL NOT A FUCKING EXCUSE TO SHOOT THE SUSPECT.  

    •  Too bad you think that you are human as it is (1+ / 0-)
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      obvious you lost your humanity long ago...

      "We know too much to go back and pretend" - Helen Reddy (humble cosmos shaker)

      by ditsylilg on Mon Aug 18, 2014 at 11:12:35 AM PDT

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