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  •  This will shift control of Congress one way or the (9+ / 0-)

    other.  The images that are coming from Ferguson are a Rorschach test, and it is important to remember what the impact of these images may be on those who VOTE.  

    This is why, while the images may be disturbing, including seeing Chris Hayes getting pelted by rocks and yelled at to "Stop lying, tell the truth" by a passing (clearly less-than-savvy) protestor who can't tell the difference between MSNBC and Fox, the totality of the images that include protestors marching malefactors up to the police line to turn them in, protestors protecting shops from looters, protestors peacefully giving up, journalists being arrested, journalists being targeting and tear gassed, those images MUST be shown.   Otherwise the Chief Jackson led police alone would control the narrative and the truth, however ugly it may sometimes be, would never see the light of day.

    But we have to understand that for some fearful white people, all they see is black mobs rioting.  And those folks have, for too long, been the registered voters who determine power and control in America.  

    Everyone who is part of the protest, everyone who is watching the protest MUST REGISTER and VOTE.  Without control of the government exercising control of the policing elements by the communities that they serve, you simply have a private armed security force at the beck and call of a few, not accountable to the public they allegedly serve.  

    "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

    by Uncle Moji on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 06:45:58 AM PDT

    •  I highly doubt it (1+ / 0-)
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      It's August. No one will remember this in November.

      Good odds that turnout in Ferguson will be lower than the historical average, while turnout in the completely unaffected surrounding (mostly white) towns will be higher (and more Republican).

      The rest of the country will have moved on to some other news story or distraction.

      •  Might nudge the IA Senate race (2+ / 0-)
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        Uncle Moji, NoBlueSkies

        Lots of Iowans vacation in Missouri.

        •  Iowans vacation in Missouri? (0+ / 0-)

          I don't know why that surprises me, being from Hawai'i, and now living in the Berkshires - of course my surprise simply shows my regional foolishness and ignorance, thanks for teaching me something new.

          I did one meet a couple from Alaska who were "snowbirds" in Canada!  They said they vacationed south to Canada in January just to get 4 hours of sunlight.  


          "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

          by Uncle Moji on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 07:10:46 AM PDT

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      •  August 1968 was the Chicago Police Riots (5+ / 0-)

        the Democrats lost the election to Richard Nixon.  The distance between August and November is shorter than you seem to think.

        The 1968 "race riots" happened in April of that year.  

        The fear of angry black people (or black President) running amok has been the theme of the Tea Party and Fox News, these images have a reinforcement of meme impact on frightened or vulnerable whites.

        I remember 1968, and the shock and horror of the assassination of Martin Luther King, Jr and the media portrayal of the anger and protest that resulted and that impact on popular opinion about what person was best qualified to lead the nation out of that chaos.

        Admittedly, the chaos included a War in Vietnam (Iraq?) with white young men from middle class families involuntarily shipped to fight and die overseas, versus a current volunteer army of mostly poorer racially and gender mixed people.  There are differences, but having lived through 1968, I think the parallels are a cautionary tale.

        "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

        by Uncle Moji on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 07:05:34 AM PDT

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        •  Exactly and I also remember 400 college campuses (5+ / 0-)

          rioting in 1970 after Kent State.  The NG was on my campus three springs in a row.  I thought this would impact the vote and sure enough the county where my U was located voted for McGovern.  Unfortunately the other 98 counties voted for Nixon's reelection.   White folks don't even like their own children rioting.  

        •  almost 50 years ago (1+ / 0-)
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          the news cycle was very different then.

          A couple weeks ago there was an ongoing event that dominated the rec-list on this site (and the news media in general). People were going bananas, saying it was going to change everything.

          And then that boy was gunned down in Fergusson and now that story is gone. And here you are saying that this story will change everything.

          Odds are that something is going to happen in the next couple days to wrench national attention away from Fergusson.

          And people will say, "this will change everything" about that too. But it wont.

          •  We disagree about the impact of Ferguson, (0+ / 0-)

            the entirety of the narrative of Ferguson - unarmed boy murdered, peaceful protests, "riots", civil rights violations, a militarized police, racism... what I did say was that this may have a motivating effect on those more conservative, racist, fearful white voters who DO have had a disproportionate impact on mid-term elections (which is not simply an effect of 50 years ago, but a current on-going impact, see 2010 - which might be too long ago for you to consider, I understand) WHICH IS WHY it is critical that those who protest  MUST REGISTER and VOTE to wrest the power and control from the reactionary politicians and back into the hands of those who will actually represent the majority interests of those they are supposed to serve.  

            What is surprising to me is that you believe that Ferguson will have NO impact voters.  "But it wont."  That's a weirdly absolute claim for someone who cannot know, and who seems to believe that most mid-term voters are primarily people under the age of 30 who are easily distracted by the next bright bauble on tv or the internet.  

            What is true is that in the last midterm 51% of eligible voters over 30 voted in midterms versus only 24% of the easily distracted voters under 30.  60% of those earning over $75K turned out to vote versus only 40% of those earning under $50K.   49% of all whites voted vs 44% of all blacks, and 31% of Latinos, and 31% of Asians.  As you can see, this skews the voting and therefore deciding populations toward Fox demographics... Unless our underrepresented groups register and actually vote.  Not simply show up at rallies and blog on blogs.  

            Voting is Power.

            "Out of Many, One Nation." This is the great promise of these United States of America -9.75 -6.87

            by Uncle Moji on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 12:19:04 PM PDT

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      •  It won't be over by November (2+ / 0-)
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        AoT, Uncle Moji

        not the way things are going....

        If it's
        Not your body,
        Then it's
        Not your choice
        And it's
        None of your damn business!

        by TheOtherMaven on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 07:15:19 AM PDT

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