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  •  well, I was surprised (1+ / 0-)
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    Dirtandiron

    Not the usual suspect.  It does make the racism argument harder if even non-white cops can subscribe to the mentality we attribute to white cops.

    I thought the full article was pretty evenhanded.

    Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

    by Visceral on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 11:32:15 AM PDT

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    •  context and timing (0+ / 0-)

      For me, the bits of the author's perspective that I might find valuable at another time or another situation are undermined and overwhelmed by the tone deaf insensitivity of offering it as a response to Ferguson.

      •  but doesn't that seem like why he wrote it? (2+ / 0-)
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        For me, the bits of the author's perspective that I might find valuable at another time or another situation are undermined and overwhelmed by the tone deaf insensitivity of offering it as a response to Ferguson.
        I can understand and sympathize.  But at the same time, here's someone from the other side who sees himself as trying to help.  People are gobsmacked by something that he sees as perfectly predictable, feeling doomed to violent and fatal confrontations with the police that he sees as perfectly avoidable, and are attributing predatory intentions to the police that his experience tells him are not present.

        The worry I increasingly have is that the debate is moving beyond questions of rules of engagement, presumption of innocence, etc. into something that could easily be spun as what the bad guys are eager to spin it as.  Cops go out there with the mentality (backed up by the law) that they are in control, that we have a duty to follow their "lawful orders", and that they have the right to force us if we don't ... because "How can we do our jobs otherwise?"  Then you have people who seem to basically be saying: "We don't have to obey the cops!  Because racism!  And we're pissed!  Whose streets?!  Our streets!!"

        Domestic politics is the continuation of civil war by other means.

        by Visceral on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 12:39:45 PM PDT

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        •  intent and outcome ? (2+ / 0-)
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          I'm afraid I'm finding it somewhat difficult to follow your sequence of thoughts in this thread. I've read some of your other comments here, and they offer some clues, but I don't want to infer too much.

          I'm not sure how to interpret your last paragraph above. Who are the bad guys and what do you perceive they're eager to spin? When you mention "lawful orders", are those ironic quotes or just quoting someone quotes? The bit at the end seems to portray rage over a long history of perceived institutionalized racism reasonably accurately, I'd say. But the phrase "Because racism!" could be interpreted as downplaying the importance of racism in Ferguson. Is that what you meant? In this case, it could also be a way to compress two hundred years of unpleasant history down to two words, i.e. Because racism? Well, yes, exactly. Because racism.

          Here's a bit more about my thought process:

          I do get the impression the police author may have thought his essay could be helpful. Intent, however, does not guarantee an outcome.

          It seems to me the most common reaction to the essay is condemnation. To me that should have been predictable, given the context of Ferguson. An author with more nuanced insight could have used that prediction to change what he wrote or when he published it.

          I note, for example, the author wrote of an incident in which he prevented a dangerous car fire by exercising restraint and empathetic human interaction. And yet, given that the piece deliberately addresses Ferguson, which is figuratively flaming already, he brings what many readers perceive to be a bucket of verbal gasoline.

          It seems to me that a person who knew how to exercise restraint in the car fire situation should know enough to exercise similar restraint about Ferguson.

        •  BINGO! (0+ / 0-)
          Cops go out there with the mentality (backed up by the law) that they are in control, that we have a duty to follow their "lawful orders", and that they have the right to force us if we don't ... because "How can we do our jobs otherwise?"  

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