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    •  oh, for the love of god. (14+ / 0-)

      I'll try to see if I can find reports on it.

      Thanks for the heads up, joan.

      How strong do our hearts have to be for god's sake?

      A lot stronger than the people killing and those who think that's an ok thing to do apparently.

      Damn it all!

      There is something in us that refuses to be regarded as less than human. We are created for freedom - Archbishop Desmond Tutu

      by Onomastic on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 12:48:22 PM PDT

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      •  I wrote more down below. I happened to be on (13+ / 0-)

        Twitter reading as we all have been doing for days and this came up on my feed. One of the tweets linked to Fox2 who had a helicopter in the air and was broadcasting live. Below I wrote what I saw. I did see the press conference with Dotson (apparently this was handled by St. Louis City PD). I'm trying to figure out exactly where it is -- sorry this is so disjointed. Chris Hayes is there -- and once again the guy that was w/Tim Pool on Vice.

      •  guardian-uk link (6+ / 0-)

        TRAILHEAD of accountability for Bush-2 Crimes? -- Addington's Perpwalk.

        by greenbird on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 01:15:50 PM PDT

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      •  Here's a report (4+ / 0-)
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        poco, Onomastic, Penny GC, blueyedace2

        Supposedly he told  them to kill him.

        My preferred pronoun is 'They', what's yours?

        by AoT on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 01:30:15 PM PDT

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        •  Here is the article on it. (13+ / 0-)

          Unclear on all facts, but not like Mike Brown.  May or may not be justified, but not clear cut like Brown.  

          Post Dispatch

          ST. LOUIS • St. Louis city police officers shot and killed a man they say brandished a knife at them outside a market Tuesday afternoon.

          The shooting was about 12:30 p.m., police said.

          Witnesses said the man who was shot had been inside Six Stars Market at Riverview Boulevard near McLaran Avenue. He took items from the market and left, followed by a market employee, witnesses said.

          When the market employee told the man he would have to pay for the items, the man started throwing the items on the street and sidewalk. St. Louis Alderman Dionne Flowers, who works at a nearby beauty shop, witnessed the encounter, according to St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson. She described the man as acting erratically and was grabbing at his waistband, Dotson said.

          "The store owner and the alderwoman said the suspect was armed with a knife, acting erratically, pacing back and forth in the street, talking to himself," said Dotson, who spoke at the scene.

          Employees at the market and the beauty shop called 911 and two police officers arrived, police said.

          The officers ordered the man to get down, according to Dotson. The man, 23, became more agitated and walked toward them, reaching for his waistband. Witnesses told police the man was yelling "Shoot me, kill me now," during the encounter.

          The officers drew their weapons and ordered the man to stop. He did stop, but then pulled out a knife and came at the officers with it held up high, Dotson said. They ordered him to stop and drop the knife. When he got within two or three feet of the officers, they fired, killing the man.

          “This is a lethal range for a knife,” Dotson said.

          The officers were not hurt, police said. They were put on administrative duty pending an investigation.

          Initially, a crowd that had gathered at the shooting scene was peaceful, but when Dotson started speaking to reporters at the impromptu press conference, the crowd became rowdier and started chanting the now familiar, “Hands up, don't shoot,” a common refrain at Ferguson protests.

          Several older residents in the area got between those shouting and the police line and tried to calm the crowd. The shouts subsided but escalated again when the press conference concluded, and Dotson appeared to be walking away.

          Dotson went into the midst of the crowd and reiterated all of the details he had provided the press. Dotson's actions calmed the situation along with help from the residents, who yelled, “Listen up” and “Keep quiet,” when the crowd tried to interrupt.

          Several in the crowd asked why police did not use tasers to bring down the subject. Dotson said police officers have the right to defend themselves when an agitated man is coming at them with a knife. Said the chief, “Officers have a reasonable expectation to go home at the end of their shift.”

          The chief said he wanted to be swift in releasing the details about the shooting to the public. “I want this message to be out as quickly and truthfully as possible,” he said.

          At its peak, the crowd numbered about 200 people. About 50 police officers were also at the scene.

          An employee answering the phone at the Six Stars Market declined to comment. Flowers could not be reached for comment.

          St. Louis Mayor Francis Slay said in an interview on Tuesday that he will demand transparency.  

          "We want to make sure this is handled in a transparent way," Slay said.

          Slay said officials have already been in contact with the U.S. Attorney's office, in addition to clergy leaders.

          Jennifer Flowers is an African American alderwoman.

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          by TomP on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 01:37:13 PM PDT

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