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  •  He is America's top cop.... (2+ / 0-)
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    nota bene, corvo

    ...I really don't expect him to do anything more than has been done multiple times before in situations like this.   Tell people to calm down we are investigating,  drag out said investigation until people forget about it and the press moves on then clear the cops, or maybe bring half measure charges and put on a spectacularly inept prosecution, ala travon martin, or negotiate a plea with the cop walking on probation.  Nothing systemic like disbanding the police department and putting the whole county under supervision for a decade or so like should be done.   Just like after Newtown, nothing will be done,  it will be more delay and dilute.  Now if this was a gated communities problem then oh look out how fast things would change.

    Oh and about those first amendment violations. Well we let the press out without charges so no harm no foul,  no punishment for arresting people in the first place or gassing a whole town etc etc.  if you don't like it we will prosecute you on the changes.

    I think it is a bit too late to say 'trust us.  You will get justice eventually'

    We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

    by delver rootnose on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 04:03:33 PM PDT

    •  no, he's (4+ / 0-)
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      Angie in WA State, vcmvo2, corvo, Just Bob

      not our top cop. He's our top DA. Corporate lawyer, not law enforcement.

      (Is it time for the pitchforks and torches yet?)

      by PJEvans on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 04:11:43 PM PDT

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    •  Is that constitutional? (12+ / 0-)
      Nothing systemic like disbanding the police department and putting the whole county under supervision for a decade or so like should be done.
      And where would the President and AG get the constitutional authority to disband the local law enforcement agency not only for Ferguson, but for the whole of St. Louis County?

      Not to mention that it would cost some serious cash for the federal government to take over policing for a county with a population of 1 million people. The Executive Branch can't unilaterally grant funding for something like that; Congress would need to do it.

      Just like after Newtown, nothing will be done,  it will be more delay and dilute.
      The President made a strong push for new gun laws after Newtown, but he can't unilaterally make law. What was your proposed strategy for getting the Republican Congress, beholden to the NRA, to pass new gun-control laws?

      The same Constitution that we (rightly) believe should protect the rights of reporters and nonviolent protesters in Ferguson, also sets out the limits of federal power and the limits of the executive branch. You seem to want the President to throw out the Constitution in order to save it.

      "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

      by JamesGG on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 04:12:01 PM PDT

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      •  The city.... (1+ / 0-)
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        ....of Chicago operated under a federal consent decree in regards to hiring for years.  I don't see why something like this could not be done for hiring/firing and training of police in St. Louis.

         And yea like I said, nothing will get done, I don't doubt, at least not much, his sincerity, I just don't think anything will get done.

        And in regards to money and constitutionality, it seems there is always way around the constitution for torture, spying, war, extrajudicial killing, indefinite detention, and other violations of the people's rights.  Too bad. The effort can't work for the people for once.  And there is always enough money for stuff the plutocrats want.  They just don't want this.

        We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

        by delver rootnose on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 04:23:53 PM PDT

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        •  Consent decrees aren't unilateral. (6+ / 0-)
          The city of Chicago operated under a federal consent decree in regards to hiring for years.
          The Shakman decrees were a result of a legal agreement that the city entered into as part of a class-action lawsuit settlement for political cronyism. They were not unilaterally imposed by the Executive Branch.

          Can you name a situation in which the Executive Branch unilaterally disbanded an entire county's police department, without the involvement of some kind of judicial or legislative process?

          And in regards to money and constitutionality, it seems there is always way around the constitution for torture, spying, war, extrajudicial killing, indefinite detention, and other violations of the people's rights.
          Yes, and we decry those things, and see them for the massive violations of the rule of law that they are. The solution is a return to the rule of law, not to suspend it in the other direction too.

          "When I give food to the poor, they call me a saint. When I ask why the poor have no food, they call me a communist." --Dom Helder Camara, archbishop of Recife

          by JamesGG on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 04:34:08 PM PDT

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          •  Well then you may... (0+ / 0-)

            ...have a point when holder actually sues the state, county and city.  Shall I put a mark in my calendar to kosmail you in what say six months to see if any suit that could change things is filed or any police officer at trial for a crime with, what say minimum ten year no parole, possible sentence?

            What stakes.  I can't afford hardly anything?

            We Glory in war, in the shedding of human blood. What fools we are.

            by delver rootnose on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 05:15:24 PM PDT

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    •  delver - what role could the DoJ have played (0+ / 0-)

      in Sandy Hill? All the guilty parties were dead, along with all the innocent ones.

      "let's talk about that" uid 92953

      by VClib on Tue Aug 19, 2014 at 06:55:51 PM PDT

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