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  •  Was he even punished? I'm not sure. (8+ / 0-)

    What do you think is an appropriate punishment for killing 4 people while breaking the law (driving hammered)?

    "Because I am a river to my people."

    by lordcopper on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 12:23:30 PM PDT

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    •  And his parents pay for the rehab. Geez. (2+ / 0-)
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      NO personal responsibility for killing 4 innocent people. And the theft wasn't mentioned.

      The only hawk I like is the kind that has feathers. My birding blogs: http://thisskysings.wordpress.com/ and canyonbirds.net

      by cany on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 12:46:12 PM PDT

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      •  No, the taxpayers of Texas are paying most of h... (9+ / 0-)

        No, the taxpayers of Texas are paying most of his rehab bill.

      •  Going Through Rehab (0+ / 0-)

        Actually going through rehab is taking personal responsibility. Unless he really is so psycho that he just coasted, but that's not the assumption - especially since we haven't heard of him blasted in public since.

        "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

        by DocGonzo on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 01:09:35 PM PDT

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        •  Participating in rehab as a condition of (6+ / 0-)

          sentencing, and drinking at home is a really low bar for personal responsibility, but time will tell.  That's something his victims will never have again.

          "Because I am a river to my people."

          by lordcopper on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 01:16:42 PM PDT

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        •  sending a kid to rehab = sending them to camp (1+ / 0-)
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          no "taking personal responsibility" necessary for competion of the program.

          imo, a pathetic response to four dead.

          "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

          by kj in missouri on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 02:30:04 PM PDT

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          •  Bullshit (1+ / 0-)
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            You ever go through rehab as a kid? I know several who have. It wasn't "camp", except maybe an internment camp.

            I don't know if it was a sufficient response to his killing four people while drunk driving. But it probably wasn't the nothing you and others are saying it was.

            "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

            by DocGonzo on Wed Aug 20, 2014 at 08:43:36 PM PDT

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            •  i didn't intend to disparage (1+ / 0-)
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              anyone's experience, Doc.  no, i didn't go to rehab as a kid.  my comment came from second-hand experience listening to stories of those who have been... and obviously didn't take into consideration your experience.  sorry for that.

              i don't have any answers either for this kid.

              "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

              by kj in missouri on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 06:46:23 AM PDT

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              •  OK (1+ / 0-)
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                I'm sure some kids go to pretend rehab where it's kids camp. But real rehab can be harder than jail. The conditions can be like any hardcore jail - and indeed often are jail, rehab in a jail. Plus you're being forced off a drug you're dependent on. Which has its own withdrawal misery, compounding the rehab (plus jail) misery. Some of the techniques applied to patients are medieval. And of course some of the staff are sadists. Then there's the underlying reasons many people are addicted and in rehab, the psychology for which they're taking drugs, which are often ignored and sometimes preyed upon.

                I don't know that this Crouch kid needs rehab - I don't think he's addicted to valium, and likely not to alcohol. He clearly needs different parents (which is not "camp" either), but though other problem kids have them reassigned (eg. Black kids), this judge is clearly not trying to truly help him.

                And so we arrive at the truly double standard: if this kid were Black, and the problem even this crazy judge admitted is his parents have raised him wrong, he'd likely be removed from those parents and put into foster care, even though he's almost an adult. The White kid gets probation and the keys to the car. And a lifetime of White privilege that counts on stealing life from Black people to keep it going.

                "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 07:38:38 AM PDT

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                •  treating addiction is still in the dark ages, (1+ / 0-)
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                  even though addiction has been around since the dark ages. few in the system or out of the system- judges, parents, staff- have a clue what to do with an addicted kid, so the buck and the kid is passed to the next person who doesn't have a clue.

                  i'm no expert. i have no answers.  i would love it if addiction to substances (ie, something simple like sugar) were taught to kids and adults alike.  addiction isn't the devil, it's a reaction to a substance that can be managed either via substitution, management or abstinence or treatment of underlying causes.

                  i agree with your post above.   and with the video of the second shooting of an unarmed black kid near/in Ferguson, anyone who can't see the racism supports the double-standard in my judgmental point-of-view this morning.

                  "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

                  by kj in missouri on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 08:34:01 AM PDT

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                •  that last sentence... (1+ / 0-)
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                  wasn't meant to you!   just frustration leaking out, because i know people who aren't seeing the racism or the double-standard.  and there is no convincing them.

                  "From single strands of light we build our webs." ~kj

                  by kj in missouri on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 08:37:12 AM PDT

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            •  "internment camp"? (0+ / 0-)

              talk about an ignorant and thoughtless statement.   I'm sure there are some Japanese-Americans willing to offer a shoulder on which to cry.  

              you can shit on my face but that doesn't mean I have to lick my lips

              by red rabbit on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 09:50:21 AM PDT

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              •  Ignorant and Thoughtless (0+ / 0-)

                Japanese Americans weren't the only ones who have been imprisoned in internment camps. Doesn't that make your comment ignorant and thoughtless?

                Besides, you obviously don't know what lockup rehabs can be like. They can indeed be like internment camps.

                "When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro." - HST

                by DocGonzo on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 08:40:29 PM PDT

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