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  •  This story makes no sense.... (2+ / 0-)
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    gffish, HeyMikey

    Police would need consent of church officials, or a search warrant in order to execute a search of premises in suspicioun of a violation of a zoning ordinance.

    •  Har! (6+ / 0-)

      Your persistent defense of the police's lawlessness is now past precious.

      " My faith in the Constitution is whole; it is complete; it is total." Barbara Jordan, 1974

      by gchaucer2 on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 11:15:47 AM PDT

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    •  oh okay it must be a fake (2+ / 0-)
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      Noamjunior, cowdab

      why don't you go crawl back under your rock.

      you can shit on my face but that doesn't mean I have to lick my lips

      by red rabbit on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 11:24:42 AM PDT

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    •  they don't need shit (7+ / 0-)

      they're cops. That's all the excuse they need. When they show up, who's going to stop them? Who wants to argue with them, when they think like this?

      Even though it might sound harsh and impolitic, here is the bottom line: if you don’t want to get shot, tased, pepper-sprayed, struck with a baton or thrown to the ground, just do what I tell you. Don’t argue with me, don’t call me names, don’t tell me that I can’t stop you, don’t say I’m a racist pig, don’t threaten that you’ll sue me and take away my badge. Don’t scream at me that you pay my salary, and don’t even think of aggressively walking towards me. Most field stops are complete in minutes. How difficult is it to cooperate for that long?

      The American weakness is that we try to rule the world with public relations, then end up believing our own con jobs. We are adrift in a mythical ship which no longer touches land.--Gustav Hansford

      by nota bene on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 11:27:09 AM PDT

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      •  The Supreme Court would differ... (2+ / 0-)
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        where an individual has a reasonable expectation of privacy, which should include a church, a search warrant is needed. Either one was issued here, or the search was approved by church officials.

        •  who the fuck's going to argue with (13+ / 0-)

          20 armed cops? What kind of consent can that reasonably be called? Sure, Officer, do whatever you want, please don't shoot me.

          Man, some people are really having a hard time wrapping their head around the idea that laws don't apply to cops. Or the difference between law in theory and law in practice.

          The American weakness is that we try to rule the world with public relations, then end up believing our own con jobs. We are adrift in a mythical ship which no longer touches land.--Gustav Hansford

          by nota bene on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 11:44:39 AM PDT

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          •  Laws DO apply to cops... (0+ / 0-)

            although society has traditionally granted them a degree of latitude in cases of close judgement calls. However, this is not one of those cases.
            If consent is not given, and there is no search warrant. It would be someones ass. It would be a flagrant violation of 4th amendment right to an expectation of privacy. It would open them up to a civil action.
            Like everything happening in Ferguson MO, there is a lot we don't know, even though we think we DO know.

            •  These are LEO who arrest journalists on camera (1+ / 0-)
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              Wes Kobernick

              after they signed a legal agreement that they wouldn't interfere with said journalists. They've shown their willingness to ignore the Constitution, local courts and SCOTUS already. Pfft.

              Also, I have seen pics of the police coming to the church in their "battle" gear- rifles, helmets, vests, etc.- surrounding the church (this was a night). That's incredibly intimidating especially considering their previous actions. No doubt they'd arrest the church administrators first and let them sort it out hours later.

              My actions are my only true belongings. I cannot escape the consequences of my actions. My actions are the ground upon which I stand. ~Thich Nhat Hanh

              by gratis4 on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 05:53:59 PM PDT

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            •  Cognative dissonance is strong with this (0+ / 0-)

              one...did someone give police permission to raid the church and confiscate supplies? I doubt it.

              •  Cognitive dissonance is not strong... (0+ / 0-)

                with this one. This one prefers to let the facts surface before rendering judgment. Not defending nor condemning anyone. Just want to figure out what's what before jumping to a conclusion.

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