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  •  you may have a 5th amendment reason (12+ / 0-)

    to not file a police report, if you are at jeopardy as an officer,
    but, it's sure reason to fire the officer,

    1) Gross dereliction of duty.

    2) failure to follow procedures

    3) destruction of city property ( 6 bullets).

    ....

    and boy does it speak against the reasonable officer standard.

    A officer may reasonably discharge their weapon, and
    it can even be wrong as long as it was reasonably wrong,
    but, not filing a report?  That's where the reasonable defense goes bad.

    •  I wouldn't file one either. (20+ / 0-)

      Of course, if I had shot an unarmed teenager half a dozen times, I would take duct tape and wrap it around my mouth and right hand; I'd be writting no sort of reports or making any sort of statements. That is not the point, the point is why is this guy still a police officer?

      I do think that police officers should be forced to write incident reports about every shooting they are involved in, as soon as possible. This would not violate anyone's 5th Amendment rights, because I am being very deliberate when I say "police officers should be forced to write incident reports": in other words, a person's refusal to write an incident report ought to be taken as being a resignation from the police force.

      •  Exactly what I have been saying. (9+ / 0-)

        I think cops are required to write incident reports for any discharge of a firearm. This is before IA or police lawyer gets involved. As a public servant you must explain what caused you to fire your gun.

        I bet any examination of regulations would reveal that the manual says that the police will write a report after the discharge of his firearm. Why is this rule not being followed?

        The only foes that threaten America are the enemies at home, and those are ignorance, superstition, and incompetence. - Elbert Hubbard -9.62/-8.15

        by GustavMahler on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 09:15:55 PM PDT

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        •  Don't talk to the police. (1+ / 0-)
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          Perhaps Officer Wilson say that youtube video, of that fast-talking lawyer arguing that one shouldn't talk to the police.

          There is an amusing irony here. Of course, citizens should know that talking to the police won't help them, in the sense that anything they say will be used against them. That certainly applies to civilians, but we can wonder, why would this hold for an officer? Wouldn't an active-duty police officer be willing to talk to the police, since certainly the police wouldn't try to bust him up and instead make sure his testimony is used solely for his benefit?

          To see why the answer is "no," I think it is best to remember the parable of the frog and the scorpion. You've probably heard of it, the scorpion hitches a ride on a frog across the stream, with the scorpion reassuring the frog that he would not sting him, because this would lead to both of their deaths. Of course, mid-stream the scorpion does attack, stating that "he couldn't help it, as it is his nature."

          •  Yep. Informative and entertaining presentation. (2+ / 0-)
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            Don't Talk To The Police, Folks.  Ever.
            He's specifically speaking to citizens, not LEO.  Sad if LEO can avoid procedure or regulations in order to protect their asses.

            "If you're in a coalition and you're comfortable, you know it's not a broad enough coalition /= GTFO" Dr. Bernice Johnson Reagon + JVolvo

            by JVolvo on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:05:50 AM PDT

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      •  No one in the US ever questions police actions (7+ / 0-)

        enough to have any actual and lasting change of policy.

        We have such a deep-seated complacency and apathy overall toward the abuses committed by law enforcement, sometimes with vigorous defense of these abuses to maintain a cover, perhaps, for that actual apathy and actually having to face up to the system itself and tell it, "Hey, you have some changes to make, and we aren't going to let you get away with this."

        Instead, people, living in America, make the choice, on a daily basis, to let law enforcement kill people for no good reason.

        Every single one of us, including myself, is complicit in that for not trying harder to stop this madness.

        I say that it's time we stop it.

        But I need to do, not to say. We all do.

        "That nice, but how do we keep it from going back to business as USUAL?" - Elon James White on Ferguson, MO

        by mahakali overdrive on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 11:00:57 PM PDT

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        •  It's true, and its because of the irrational fear (5+ / 0-)

          the media and the government tries to instill in us of our fellow man. Yes, there are bad people out there and they need to be confronted, sometimes with blood and iron. But they are not, and nowhere near as ubiquitous as the fear hawks would have us believe.

          •  Maybe my own lack of fear comes from (4+ / 0-)

            not having television for 15 years or more now?

            I believe people are generally good and have encountered a few "bad" people here and again. But given my life and prior line of work, I ought to be dead ten time over.

            Media propaganda? And it work? Whosoever would it thought?

            Kill your TV.

            "That nice, but how do we keep it from going back to business as USUAL?" - Elon James White on Ferguson, MO

            by mahakali overdrive on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 11:21:03 PM PDT

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        •  I agree with the complicity, (2+ / 0-)
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          which we all share.

          I also agree with the notion that Americans go along with it, because they are harbor fear of criminals...criminals who are always represented to look a certain way...if you know what I mean. The criminal justice system is being used to keep certain "undesirables" in conditions near as possible to those that we kept them in before the 13th Amendment was passed.

          This is to say, that things won't change until Americans come to fear the police more than they fear "those people."

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