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  •  Science says massive exposures to radiation (6+ / 0-)
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    can cause myriad harms to living things, and their constituent elements, such as DNA. Why would there suddenly be a shield of invulnerability around people undergoing massive exposures?

    You are aware, I trust, that 'Science' is the goal, and 'Scientism' is based on delusions of omniscience, the profit and career motives, and just human short-sightedness. It's a thing practiced by humans, not priests nor gods.

    There were lots of studies saying that Vioxx, Asbestos, Car Exhaust, Agent Orange, the chemicals behind Gulf War Syndrome, etc etc etc for example, were safe. (One can list a hundred things from just the last fifty years like this.) Attested to by 'scientists.' With Statistics!! Yet, in the aggregate, millions have died early or been greatly troubled in their bodies. Though people in the Science biz said "can't be happening." Well, it was.

    Again, what mechanism in nature or common sense would nullify the likely outcome of massive exposures to radiation of multiple types?


    A government is a body of people usually notably ungoverned. -- Firefly

    by Jim P on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 10:44:25 PM PDT

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    •  Precisely...virtually all expertise has its... (5+ / 0-)
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      ...price...at least in the corporate world.

      "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

      by bobswern on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 11:17:54 PM PDT

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    •  The claims are absurd (3+ / 0-)
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      Here's why: the conditions they are claiming are the result of acute radiation exposure would require radiation levels so high somewhere north of 50% of them should have dropped dead within days to weeks due to radiation poisoning.

      A rough analogy would be someone claiming that they they are suffering injuries that are the result of the group of people they were with having fallen out of an airplane and plummeting to the ground without parachutes. Yet, oddly enough, none of them died shortly after impact. Also, the vast majority of the rest of the group don't seem to recall that happening.

    •  Key word is "massive" (3+ / 0-)
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      Again, what mechanism in nature or common sense would nullify the likely outcome of massive exposures to radiation of multiple types?
      None at all, and no one, including I believe, the author of this diary, is arguing that.

      The point is, that the only people who might have received "massive" exposures from Fukushima either worked there, lived within a few kilometers of the plant, or are involved in the cleanup.

      For most Japanese, radiation received from Fukushima was a small fraction of the dose received from natural background sources.

      For anyone living in the US, radiation received from Fukushima was too small to even reliably measure. And frankly, while I find Japanese concerns about Fukushima understandable, the level of hysteria expressed by many Americans about their personal risk from Fukushima is absurd.

      None of which means that there aren't safety concerns with early generation boiling water reactors, or with locating any reactor within reach of tsunamis.

      •  Do you not know of the existence (1+ / 0-)
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        of EPA's RadNet monitoring system? I ask because you claim no one in the US received any radiation from the Fuku plume, while RadNet stations were pegging out all over the place. Subsequently taken off line due to there being public access, and "everybody knows" that all reported effects of radiation exposure in humans are actually caused by the stress of knowing you're being exposed.

        I call bullshit.

        There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. - Will Rogers

        by Joieau on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 06:42:47 AM PDT

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        •  You mean this? (2+ / 0-)
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          Quoting EPA's RadNet site

          EPA is aware of some public concern that has been raised by recent articles about the impact of the potentially ongoing radioactive leaks from the damaged nuclear reactors in Fukushima. EPA’s air monitoring data have not shown any radioactive elements associated with the damaged Japanese reactors since late 2011, and even then, the levels found were very low—always well below any level of public health concern.
          And if your next hypothesis is that EPA is now engaging in a cover-up conspiracy, I'll point out that such a conspiracy would require active cooperation between multiple Federal agencies, the UN, many foreign governments, and every university with a decent physics department. That idea is deep into tin-foil hat territory, hanging out there with the chemtrail and Illuminati folks.

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