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  •  The deception and fabrication of TEPCO and... (3+ / 0-)
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    ...the Japanese government (all which have been documented), since the three reactors at Fukushima melted-down, are far greater and far more real than any baseless DECEPTIONS and related innuendos that you may be claiming in your comment.

    "I always thought if you worked hard enough and tried hard enough, things would work out. I was wrong." --Katharine Graham

    by bobswern on Thu Aug 21, 2014 at 11:41:18 PM PDT

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    •  Or, actually, no, they haven't been documented (1+ / 0-)
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      Just claimed and re-claimed and over-interpreted out of not very much material.

      Deception and fabrication has been easy to find among those who wish to promote the doom and drama, however. For example, there was a campaign mid-2012 among such people to circulate a fiction that unit 4 building was tilted and sinking (and about to annihilate the northern hemisphere, in more extreme versions). Totally untrue. Ran like mad in the media for months.

      This is not a sig-line.

      by Joffan on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 12:19:46 AM PDT

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      •  Tepco has documented it themselves (1+ / 0-)
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        they keep releasing new numbers that bump the old ones up by an order of magnitude.

        •  Pick an example. (0+ / 0-)

          Come on, let's get into this. Give me two Tepco statements where the second one shows that the first one was active deception.

          This is not a sig-line.

          by Joffan on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 11:11:06 AM PDT

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          •  'Active' deception (0+ / 0-)

            You want to play moving goalposts like that, play with yourself.
            Anyone who has been paying attention knows how unreliable Tepco's figures have been, but they have always initially low, and extremely so. Thanks for showing us all what you're up to.

            •  how exactly does TEPCO prevent anyone ELSE (1+ / 0-)
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              from measuring the radioactivity levels, anywhere, at any time, and publishing their findings for the entire world to see . . . . ?

              How exactly does this global conspiracy to hide data, work? How does TEPCO prevent someone in, say, San Francisco Bay from measuring the radioactivity in the water or the fish and presenting his or her measurements?

              In the end, reality always wins.

              by Lenny Flank on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 03:41:29 PM PDT

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              •  Tepco keeps people off their site (0+ / 0-)

                and out of their bay. They own the sampling equipment at their plant, control it and the publications of its raw data. Others can measure elsewhere, and use models to infer source terms. This is not the same thing, and many studies simply rely on Tepco claims rather than attempting independent estimates. And it is not cheap to do comprehensive testing of radionuclides in a wide area, which would be required to accurately deduce the amount and composition of contamination released by Tepco.

                You have claimed to oppose nuclear on political and economic grounds, and I tend to fall into that category, but part of those problems manifests in the conflict of interest between owning the best equipment and expertise for evaluating releases on the one hand and facing liability and corporate devastation due to those releases on the other.  This is why periodic feel-good radiation denialism results must be scrutinised. They have lost the benefit of a doubt and the assumption of good faith.

                Why is the WHO prevented form working on nuke releases by the UN in favor of an agency with the dual roles of regulating and promoting nuclear energy?

                •  the Pacific Ocean is pretty damn big (0+ / 0-)

                  How does TEPCO keep anyone out of it? Do they send naval patrols to check every ship in the sea to make sure they are not taking samples for testing? Do they confiscate samples when they find them, or detain people taking them?

                  This is just paranoid fantasy.

                  You have claimed to oppose nuclear on political and economic grounds
                  I have not "claimed"--I am.

                  In the end, reality always wins.

                  by Lenny Flank on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 05:10:11 AM PDT

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              •  it's a secured area, you can't get in (0+ / 0-)

                and measure up close.

                •  and yet people have done so . . . . . (0+ / 0-)

                  Oh, and if the crackpots are gonna wave their arms and yell that there is radiation off the California Coast from Fukushima, then that means it can be measured anywhere in the Pacific Ocean.

                  In the end, reality always wins.

                  by Lenny Flank on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 05:42:37 PM PDT

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