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  •  Public executions of people hauled in (9+ / 0-)

    front of kangaroo courts. I'm for a two-state solution, but is this the kind of state that the Palestinian people aspire to?

    •  Yes. n/t (3+ / 0-)
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      by dhonig on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 07:34:41 AM PDT

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      •  One thing that I think people underestimate (5+ / 0-)
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        is the impact on Israel of having an Islamic republic next to it (in the event of a two-state solution). While people are right that within Israel there are biases against non-Jews, the situation is so much better than an Islamic state featuring public executions of "heretics", women who cheat on their husbands, and gay people. I sure as hell wouldn't want such things going on just on the other side of our borders.

        •  you don't get to choose your neighbors (0+ / 0-)

          Or your neighbor's government.

          And you can think up all the barbaric things you don't like about your neighbors and they will hold a mirror up to you.

          My college political science class was taught by a Jew who said in very clear terms, the vitriol between Arabs and Jews was not an ancient phenomena. After all, both are semitic people.

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          by chipoliwog on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:15:47 AM PDT

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          •  As a liberal, I once subscribed to the philosophy (5+ / 0-)

            that all morality was subjective. But today I see Islamic fanaticism as being a very evil, ruthless, and backward philosophy, and worthy of being defeated if at all possible. Israel is capable of bad acts, but the jihadists are committed to bad acts as a way of life, in perpetuity. There's really little comparison between the West and the current crop of Islamic fanatics.

            •  IMO, the problem is fanaticism, not the particular (1+ / 0-)
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              religion it happens to have attached itself to.

              Fanatic Christians were responsible for the Crusades and the Inquisition and nowadays killing abortion doctors, and within the past few years Jonestown and Waco.

              Other fanatics were responsible for the people who killed themselves so they could hitch a ride on the UFO they thought was hidden behind a comet.

    •  Why do you believe (2+ / 0-)
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      they were even afforded a kangaroo court? I suspect they were dragged outside on shot on the word of a single "commander".

    •  I don't think they have a choice at the moment. (1+ / 0-)
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      They made a  foolish decision in the 2006 election.  They are fed constant propaganda.  The vast majority (though not all by a long shot) of the Palestinian people living underneath Hamas are more or less ignorant to the fact that Hamas manipulates them, steals money meant for their benefit, and hasn't questioned the fact that Hamas has not attempted to build an infrastructure for their betterment.  Much less create anything close to a democracy or once chosen anything beneficial to them.  When they live within 24/7 propaganda and an 'enemy' to always focus on it creates little leeway for questioning (and questioning in an environment ruled by Hamas could lead to death).

      It's similar to what you see in more peaceful but fully autocratic societies in the Middle East, it's always about 'the injustice of the Palestinians' that they focus their citizens thoughts on so people have less time to build up a rage about their own circumstances (the same governments do absolutely nothing to benefit Palestinians mind you, that is not their care or concern.  It's merely something they use to great advantage to keep the heat off them).

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      by aimeehs on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 04:49:59 PM PDT

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      •  In partial defense of the people who voted for (1+ / 0-)
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        Hamas in 2006, many of them hoped Hamas would be less corrupt than the PLO had become under Arafat.

        The Palestinians had some legitimate grievances, but they've had terrible leaders for generations.  Not every country is blessed to have a Gandhi, Mandela or King, unfortunately.

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