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  •  Umm... (29+ / 0-)

    Time of Dispatch 12:43

    Time of Arrival 13:30

    So they're saying that it took them 45 minutes to get another car there?

    WTF???

    •  This is allegedly a report by the COUNTY (14+ / 0-)

      so . . . they claim that they Ferguson called the county to independently investigate?

      Which makes little sense that quickly.

      But yeah, that's why.

      •  45 minutes? C'mon... (3+ / 0-)
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        With that kinda response time, the call would've been bumped over to the Stateys.

      •  It took the murderering cop that long (9+ / 0-)

        while wandering around the body to ponder and chose his strategy with his other cop pals on site.

      •  ACLU hadn't acted no telling how long they (12+ / 0-)

        might have taken.

        https://www.aclu.org/...

        Ferguson Police's PR Stunt Poisons Independent and Impartial Investigation
        08/15/2014

        By Dennis Parker, Director, ACLU Racial Justice Program at 6:23pm

        and
        ACLU of Missouri @aclu_mo
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        In response to our lawsuit for #MikeBrown shooting report, STL County Police Dept released: http://bit.ly/...  

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        by divineorder on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:46:50 AM PDT

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      •  might be TWO reports, one county, one city (9+ / 0-)

        we discussed last night here

        This is quote from store robbery incident report.

        It references two incident reports for the killing of brown. at least that's how i interpreted yesterday, where i was guessing that the city report had # #2014-12391 and county had no. #2014-43984, which is the same as in barbara's story: 14- 43984.

        "It is worth mentioning that this incident [robbery] is related to another incident [killing brown] under Ferguson Police Report #2014-12391 as well as St. Louis County Police Report #2014-43984. In that incident, Brown was fatally wounded involving an officer of this department."
        NBC reported that there was no city incident report for killing brown because jurisdiction changed right away to county. and that is information NBC obtained from conflicted/biased out county prosecutor office.

        Makes more sense that with this jurisdiction transfer that there are two incident reports, city and county, and only the city would have key info because city cop did the killing.

        so hope ACLU lawsuit to obtain city report is successful.

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        by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 08:49:18 AM PDT

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        •  Ahh...so they are lying about the earlier (3+ / 0-)
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          report never having been written.  That answers part of my puzzle.  How do we know when they "actually" turned it over to the county?

          •  According to this report ... (6+ / 0-)

            it was turned over almost immediately. Ferguson PD called the St. Louis County authorities at 12:43, which was shortly after the shooting.

            Mind you, I'm sure there are additional formalities that go along with this kind of jurisdictional transfer, but at least if you believe this report, Ferguson PD called in St. Louis police right away.

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            by FogCityJohn on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:39:45 AM PDT

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          •  lying or parsing or something else we learn after (1+ / 0-)
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            we ever get the facts.

            I am not familiar with the nomenclature for police system there, but maybe there can only be one official police incident report. in the usual case, no problem. but here, jurisdiction was transferred to county right after the cop killed brown.

            According to the NBC report, which is based on what it was told by county prosecuting office and/or prosecutor mcCulloch:  

            1. city police did not "file" an "incident report" due to jurisdiction transfer - this might be true, that the city report was not officially "filed" because county now had jurisdiction;

            2.  a city incident report does not exist -- maybe when you have two jurisdictions involved in the incident report they use a different name for the city report, and call the county report an incident report because it now has jurisdiction.

            The robbery incident report indicates that the city incident report, by whatever name, does exist and was provided a case number.

            From what we know thus far, it sounds like the county prosecutor's office used wiggle words with NBC. words that allow them to say, for example, that no official incident report was filed by the city which can be just spinning or parsing of words that amount to lies.  

            seems to me that there would be no confusion if the county report simply had incorporated or attached the city report to it.

            Police in Ferguson, Missouri, did not file an “incident report” on the fatal shooting of 19-year-old Michael Brown because they turned the case over to St. Louis County police almost immediately, the county prosecutor’s office tells NBC News.

            Critics and news media outlets have questioned why Ferguson police released an incident report from a robbery in which Brown was a suspect, as well as security video showing the stick-up, but not the report on the shooting of the unarmed 18-year-old a short time later by Officer Darren Wilson.

            The reason, according to the office of St. Louis County Prosecuting Attorney Robert P. McCulloch, is that it doesn’t exist.

            The St. Louis County police department presumably did file an incident report, but any such documents will not be made public until a grand jury investigating the officer-involved shooting concludes its investigation, according to officials from the office who briefed NBC News on the case.

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            by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:24:28 AM PDT

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            •  Having worked in a court program in my county (... (1+ / 0-)

              Having worked in a court program in my county (psychologist) for several years, I have read lots of incident reports. They are always a step by step description of what happened from the first call or contact, the actions they & others took, along with their reasons for taking the action they took, to the final disposition such as leaving the scene & or booking the suspect including what transpired at the booking if there were any problems there. Always very detailed & always written by the officer(s) involved. If there were multiple officers involved, they each wrote a report. This occurred regardless if jurisdiction changed, which it sometimes did. Officers who come later write their own reports based on what they observed & were told. Those officers should identify each person they get a description of events from. But they are not witnesses to what happened. In this situation, Wilson is the only one who can write the original report as he is the only direct observer who can report his observations of the suspect, actions taken by each person, his judgments/ decisions made & why he made them.

              •  i hope you write up a diary! (0+ / 0-)

                we're all guessing, speculating, based on the few facts known.

                but you have the real life experience!

                (don't know why my first sentence is in bold, i did not do any coding.)

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                by Patriot Daily News Clearinghouse on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 08:59:10 AM PDT

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                •  Thank you. But, I live in a different state so ... (0+ / 0-)

                  Thank you. But, I live in a different state so I don't know how useful that would be nor what else I could add. Below someone has included the Missouri statute governing incident report requirements. I understand from MSNBC a couple of days ago that Wilson's attorney probably advised him to not write one. I don't know how that would gel with the statute requirements. It's one thing to hold it private until the grand jury finishes but another to not write one altogether.

                  They (MSNBC) also talked about how unusual it was for the defendant (in this case, Wilson) to testify at a grand jury hearing on the case. I am not an attorney but have been involved with a couple of grand juries during my career. The DA just presents evidence to the jury to see if there is enough cause to do an indictment. It is not the trial. So there is no need to present everything.

                  I have a lot of questions about this case & the process they are going through. I find it interesting that the results of the grand jury won't be available until October. Why then?

                  And how was it that Michael brown went from being at the police car window and then 25 to 50 feet away? If he wasn't running away, how did he get so far from the car? And why an unarmed person (at least michael knew he was unarmed) would then turn & charge a policeman holding a gun who was 25 to 50 feet away?

                  Lots of questions about this case & the process the DA & police dept are following.

                  For one, I am glad the DOJ and FBI are involved.

      •  Do you believe it was turned over (2+ / 0-)
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        to the county within that hour or is this something manufactured recently?  I'm confused about the importance (county-local) in relation to the incident report never having been written by the shooter-cop.

      •  Read it ,it says Homicide TWICE....Homicide. (0+ / 0-)

        "This is it ! ~ Nobody gets out of here alive" ~ concepts for living speech 1983

        by Leslie Sole on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 08:57:12 AM PDT

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