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  •  He chose to insert "white" (6+ / 0-)

    into the mix, though, did he not? He chose those words and put them together.

    Or maybe he didn't? Maybe others are (self-)appointed speakers on his behalf?

    He should have said "privilege" rather than "white privilege"  but either way, he meant that

    "Counting on people having nowhere else to go is the logic of a slumlord."--Wolf10

    by lunachickie on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 09:46:13 AM PDT

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    •  well, here's what he said (2+ / 0-)
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      NSA spying is bad! So is stop and frisk. So is splitting up families by deporting children to countries they've never been to and don't speak the language. So is harassing American muslims.

      Government overreach is bad. But to act like having the government track who you call is the height of government abuse is a very white privileged view of the privacy issue.

      And it seems that ever since he said it, some people have been making it out as an NSA apologia. That strikes me as silly verging on trollish, but no more so than arguing that people of color don't have the luxury of worrying about the NSA.

      "Democracy is a political system for people who are not sure they are right." —E. E. Schattschneider

      by HudsonValleyMark on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:30:23 AM PDT

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      •  Ignoring the role that the NSA spying (10+ / 0-)

        and other programs of a similar type play in the "harassment", which includes torture and murder for the record, of Arabs and Muslims is outlandish and is effectively an apologia.

        My preferred pronoun is 'They', what's yours?

        by AoT on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 10:45:42 AM PDT

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        •   Because collecting metadata leads to torture? (2+ / 0-)
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          I give up.  What are those programs of a similar type and what role do they play?  

          I'd be happy to give up metadata collection if it stopped  a single instance of torture and murder.  Can you name one?

          Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

          by Inland on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 03:08:55 PM PDT

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        •  And crickets. Amazing, isn't it, how murder and (1+ / 0-)
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          torture aren't important enough for you to explain how NSA programs cause it?

          Or you were just making it up in order to make your pet issues seem more important than they are.  

          I'm going to go with the latter.

          Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

          by Inland on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 07:00:15 PM PDT

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          •  Sorry I wasn't at my computer in time (1+ / 0-)
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            to answer your question hours after my original post. And meta-data includes who individuals are connected to, and through, which is how they figure out who to target.

            You seem to be confused about what the NSA actually does, because according to you all the do is collect metadata, that's flatly false and you know it. The NSA collects all sorts of information and they use meta-data to get warrants and to target people.

            My preferred pronoun is 'They', what's yours?

            by AoT on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 08:28:18 AM PDT

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            •  So you've switched to warrants (0+ / 0-)

              from murder and torture. That's all I need to hear.  I'm against murder and torture.  Warrants, not per se.

              Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

              by Inland on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 09:16:34 AM PDT

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    •  Because non whites worry about being (3+ / 0-)
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      wrongly prosecuted and harassed by the government without having to invent some distant dystopian future, or have tech talk over computer capability.

      They have immediate concerns about what's being done with low tech, like eyes and guns.  

      Just thought I'd bring that up.

      Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

      by Inland on Fri Aug 22, 2014 at 11:55:01 AM PDT

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