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  •  That's good, k9disc, but what about the poor? (3+ / 0-)
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    And the working class? "Middle class" is a rather vague definition when you think about the term. Is class determined by income, profession, educational level, or what?

    My mother once told me that our family was "lower middle class." We were educated but barely scraping by. Journalists don't get paid much unless they're named Bob Woodward, and this was long before Watergate.

    "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

    by Diana in NoVa on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 07:23:08 PM PDT

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    •  Because "Middle Class" Motivates Likely & Plausibl (2+ / 0-)
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      voters, whereas "poor" demotivates many and is neutral on others. The party has not spoken for the poor since the Beatles, that's part of the reason. Not wanting to tamper with that dynamic, in order to attract conservative voters, is more of it.

      We are called to speak for the weak, for the voiceless, for victims of our nation and for those it calls enemy.... --ML King "Beyond Vietnam"

      by Gooserock on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 07:27:08 PM PDT

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      •  Doesn't make much sense, does it, Gooserock? (2+ / 0-)
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        Conservatives aren't going to vote for the Democrats anyway! So the party might as well lean liberal. Give people something to vote for rather than against.

        "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

        by Diana in NoVa on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 07:30:39 PM PDT

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      •  NOTHING is going to attract conservative voters. (3+ / 0-)

        The people who are going to vote Republican are going to vote Republican, even if the Democrats run Mitt Romney for President. Get over it. Moving Right isn't going to get their votes.

        The huge, untapped demographic is the people who don't vote. Excite them! Come up with policies so important that they will actually get out and vote for them. And a slogan that captures that intent. Overcome the apathy.

        The low hanging fruit in voter numbers are those who are convinced that their vote doesn't matter, that we are going to get the same corporatist Republicrat government either way. Convince them otherwise. Offer them something new, a party that puts people above profits. The hope and change that Obama promised, that worked so well for him even though it was a lie. But make it real this time.

        •  alas, there is no evidence that the people who (0+ / 0-)

          currently don't vote, would vote any differently than the people who do vote. Polls which include non-voters generally have the same results as polls which do not.

          There is no big mass of Dem voters waiting out there to be tapped if only we could get them to vote. The current non-voters are just as likely to vote against us as they are to vote for us, just like the current voters are.

          In the end, reality always wins.

          by Lenny Flank on Sun Aug 24, 2014 at 05:05:55 AM PDT

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    •  I don't think it's very good. I had a whole long (2+ / 0-)
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      comment all ready to roll about how I find it tin eared and somewhat of an anachronism, and not a good fit for today's political landscape.

      I was thinking something like Democracy is about People.

      Something to separate real live breathing citizens from the fake corporate sponsors of political markets and to remind us that Democracy is about us, not them.

      Democrats are all about them. Look at Nancy's page. The first words are "House Republicans". And then it just goes on to define Democratic policies as different from Republican policies.

      Republicans want different people to get tax cuts and sweetheart loans to make things 'affordable'.

      This is not the 90s.

      I like your thoughts on the poor and the nebulous "middle class", and I think it's time to start making some policy based on principle and values instead of corporate profits and focus grouped platitudes.

      Unfortunately that doesn't seem to be the message and the MO that the Democratic party wants to push.

      Democracy - 1 person 1 vote. Free Markets - More dollars more power.

      by k9disc on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 07:33:53 PM PDT

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      •  You're very likely right, k9disc, about the (4+ / 0-)

        kind of message the party wants to push.

        But this the age of social media! We don't have to take the tired party line and run with it--we can tailor our own message and get it out there. And pretty soon they will have to take note and start using our more inclusive message.

        Remember how no one ever talked about income inequality before the Occupy Wall Street phenomenon began in 2011? Now that phrase is part of the public discourse.

        "Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich."--Napoleon

        by Diana in NoVa on Sat Aug 23, 2014 at 07:44:54 PM PDT

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