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  •  Step 1: Pretend the election of 2008 was historic (15+ / 0-)

    Step 2: pretend that Obama squandered it.

    Step 2: poutrage!!!!!!1!

    There was a supermajority for 7 months. You got healthcare reform and Dodd frank. Want more? Elect more democrats.


    ODS results in Obama's amazing ability to humiliate his biggest critics, on the right and the left.

    by NoFortunateSon on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 01:24:22 PM PDT

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    •  Sorry. Should say... (3+ / 0-)
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      Step 3: Poutrage


      ODS results in Obama's amazing ability to humiliate his biggest critics, on the right and the left.

      by NoFortunateSon on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 01:27:48 PM PDT

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    •  It wasn't historic? (6+ / 0-)




      Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

      by DeadHead on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 01:35:07 PM PDT

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      •  How was it historic? (2+ / 0-)
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        Other than electing the first non-Caucasian president, which would only have a negative impact on liberal politics?


        ODS results in Obama's amazing ability to humiliate his biggest critics, on the right and the left.

        by NoFortunateSon on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 01:38:28 PM PDT

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        •  I edited in a new paragraph in the diary (1+ / 0-)
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          that started out as a reply to your question. Check it out.

          "The Democrats and the Republicans are equally corrupt where money is concerned. It's only in the amount where the Republicans excel." ~ Will Rogers

          by Lefty Coaster on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 01:52:02 PM PDT

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        •  I thought that "other than" was considered… (0+ / 0-)

          …rather significant, especially by some of the President's more ardent supporters.

          I guess you're right — it wasn't historic.




          Somebody has to do something, and it's just incredibly pathetic that it has to be us. ~ Garcia

          by DeadHead on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 02:27:50 PM PDT

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          •  Heh. Hilarious. (1+ / 0-)
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             I thought that "other than" was considered… (0+ / 0-)

            …rather significant, especially by some of the President's more ardent supporters.

            I guess you're right — it wasn't historic

            Another trolling fail.

            Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

            by Inland on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 02:39:56 PM PDT

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        •  It was historic (7+ / 0-)

          but it takes tremendous hindsight and wishful thinking to think we elected Cornel West president and not a mainstream Democrat.

          I mean, the Monday-morning Quarterback argument "Democrats should govern more to the left" is fine as far as it goes --  even the claim that he has a duty to because of what the country "needs."  That just boils down to Cornel West's opinion, but it's particularly insidious to suggest that Obama is especially obligated to govern a certain way or have certain opinions because of his race.  I'm pretty sure both Obama and West are black, and between the two of them, only one of them has been elected President.  In other words, the politics of racial authenticity are bad enough, but if we put it to a vote, West won't win.  

          If there's a bait and switch it's in West's rhetoric.  He frames his argument in terms of process, taking the form of Obama should have done 3-4 things differently, but he doesn't go through the analysis of how that would work or achieve results.  Instead, he's looking only at outcomes, but these deal with factors exogenous to Obama.  Again, who is better equipped to read the politics?  The one who was elected President twice or the one being interviewed in Salon by a reporter as critical of him as Sean Hannity interviewing Ted Cruz?

          Difficult, difficult, lemon difficult.

          by Loge on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 02:39:41 PM PDT

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    •  Excellent response. More was accomplished those (5+ / 0-)
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      months than the rest of the Presidents term.
      The President had the balls, it was Congress that put on their skirts and ran home.
      I say, give the man some resources, something sorely lacking to date.

      "If you tell the truth, you won't have to remember anything", Mark Twain

      by Cruzankenny on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 02:02:24 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, and most of that time was wasted by (1+ / 0-)
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      the Senate Stall, orchestrated by the goppers and facilitated by the likes of Baucus, etc.

      For those that have forgotten, that reduced the political possibilities in financial reform, and blew the "energy/infrastructure/ jobs bill out of the water when they ran out of time before the midterm campaign season.

      Selective memories.

      You can't make this stuff up.

      by David54 on Mon Aug 25, 2014 at 02:51:13 PM PDT

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