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  •  That's a pretty insensitive response. (10+ / 0-)

    A lot of people do not eat pork for religious, ethical, or environmental reasons.  At least three different religions ban pork.

    Yes, the restaurant had the right to a cute advertisement.  But  a private citizen has the right to dissent and express her views.  And the right wing trolls do too.

    Thus we live in a partly free country.

    The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

    by tecampbell on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:13:12 PM PDT

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    •  Yeah, well, the restaurant decided to take down a (10+ / 0-)

      sign because someone who wouldn't eat their advertised food complained about it . . . being advertised.

      Sure, she can complain.  The restaurant could have nicely done nothing, but decided to be nice to someone who doesn't like parts of their menu to avoid potential controversy and because it was probably seen as no skin off their nose.  And then, right wing paranoia set in.

      The "ISIS" tie-in is merely more right-wing flakiness and fear-mongering, but the hypersensitivity of this woman led to that unintended consequence, IMHO.

      "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

      by wader on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:31:47 PM PDT

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      •  I appreciate the restaurant for being nice. (5+ / 0-)

        They could have done it a different way and I would have appreciated that too.  I can imagine a pleasant response stating that they respect others life choices but that bacon has been an essential part of their menu for years.  Then they could talk about any vegan options they have or are considering.

        I don't eat pork, etc. myself, more for environmental reasons.  But I don't judge.

        I still get a kick though out of people who bring their love of bacon to extremes, equating it to an almost religious experience.  :-P

        The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

        by tecampbell on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 09:54:12 PM PDT

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        •  bacon (8+ / 0-)
          I still get a kick though out of people who bring their love of bacon to extremes, equating it to an almost religious experience.  :-P
          1. It is physically impossible to bring the love of bacon to extremes. In fact, the English Tongue is insufficient to express the goodness of bacon.

          2. The eating of thick-sliced, good-quality bacon is not equal to any almost religious experience. It is a religious experience, and recognized as such by any religion worthy of the First Amendment.

          ;-)

          /snark

          "I have to remember that while Jesus dined with publicans, there is no record of his consorting with Republicans." -- entlord

          by thanatokephaloides on Tue Aug 26, 2014 at 10:21:03 PM PDT

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      •  Where did you get the idea that the reich wing (6+ / 0-)

        needs a reason to act paranoid, flaky, and to engage in fear mongering?  Fuck 'em.
             You guys are so worried about these assholes' reaction, you're looking to scapegoat someone else for it.  If I didn't know better, I'd almost think you were Democratic members of Congress! ;->

        •  Both sides look like shit here (1+ / 0-)
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          The Muslim vegan woman who couldn't even stand to see the word bacon on a sign and had to whine about  it and the ones who are comparing the cafe owner to isis.  

          •  And now with the false equivalency (0+ / 0-)

            Because one person's post to a local community forum expressing displeasure with a sign in a civil tone is just like hundreds or thousands of nutjobs threatening the business owner and trying to drive him out of business, using horrible language that reveals their intolerance and hatred.  Yeah, right.

            •  Either you believe in free (0+ / 0-)

              speech or you don't.  It's really that simple.  The whining over a sign (a FREEKING SIGN) was intolerance of a kind that I'm surprised you want to defend.  Poor pitiful woman couldn't even stand to LOOK at the word bacon.  If this was done by a Christian, I KNOW this community would be reacting with nothing but scorn.

              •  I do believe in free speech, (0+ / 0-)

                whether it's for the business owner, the woman, or even the nutjobs, as long as they're not making threats of violence.  You're the one who seems to want to limit who can express themselves, even if it is just a FREEKING SIGN.
                    I've already commented that I thought the complainer was being hypersensitive, but no one forced the business to remove the sign.  The only people trying to force anything are the culture warriors who think the "mooslims" are taking over everywhere.
                    By the way, that sign is not free speech, it's fee speech - advertising - and there are all sorts of regulations that can and are placed on that.  Don't believe me?  Why don't you try to place a sandwich board on that roundabout.  It would be removed promptly.  Even assuming you were willing to pay the licensing fee for the sign, the city still wouldn't let you put it there unless you had a business there and the sign was related to the business.  So, your "poor pitiful woman" can't just place a "Go Vegan!" sign there to express her beliefs.
                    Your attempt to argue for hypocrisy on the part of the DK community is also a fail.  Christians can and do complain about signs and other things all the time, just like everybody else.  Who cares.  It's when they try to get laws passed based on their religious beliefs that they are met with scorn.  

        •  I don't give care much about their reaction, (0+ / 0-)

          if that's your point.

          Just documenting cause and effect to elaborate my point.

          "So, please stay where you are. Don't move and don't panic. Don't take off your shoes! Jobs is on the way."

          by wader on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 08:12:33 AM PDT

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          •  But it's not "cause and effect" (0+ / 0-)

            That's my point.  Cause implies responsibility.  You need to distinguish between the cause and the trigger.  The vegan's post in Front Porch Forum and the subsequent decision by the restaurant owner triggered the reaction by the nutjobs. The actual cause is always the same - right wing intolerance of the "other."
                This is no different to the way they react when people say "Happy Holidays" instead of "Merry Christmas," and when businesses use that phrase in their advertisements.  The problem isn't with the people saying "Happy Holidays," it's with the RWNJs who are triggered by it.

    •  Really? (0+ / 0-)

      What is the third religion that bans pork?

      Warren/Grayson 2016! Yes We Can!

      by BenFranklin99 on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 02:23:58 AM PDT

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      •  Depends how if you consider (0+ / 0-)

        Seventh Day Adventists and the Ethiopian Orthodox Church as different sects of Christianity but if not they would be the third and fourth.

        "Come to Sochi, visit the gay clubs and play with the bears" - NOT a Russian advertising slogan.

        by Lib Dem FoP on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 03:35:30 AM PDT

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        •  Many Hindus, too n/t (0+ / 0-)

          “Texas is a so-called red state, but you’ve got 10 million Democrats here in Texas. And …, there are a whole lot of people here in Texas who need us, and who need us to fight for them.” President Obama

          by Catte Nappe on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 07:35:42 AM PDT

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      •  Most Hindu and Buddhist scholarship (0+ / 0-)

        promote vegetarianism or outright prohibit eating meat.  Jewish and Islamic conservatives of course prohibit pork.  And as mentioned above, Seven Day Adventists and many Orthodox Christian followers follow the Jewish law.

        The business of Nations is never morality. Moral stories live only through people.

        by tecampbell on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 12:04:46 PM PDT

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