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  •  Oil, Markos. We want their oil. (2+ / 0-)
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    •  That hasn't been true in quite some time (3+ / 0-)
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      actual oil production and consumption numbers since 2009 say otherwise.

      The "drill baby drill" crowd very much got their way, and their allies in Canada helped by getting their way up there too. Haven't you noticed they've kind of shut up?

      Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. Russia Today=FoxNews, Seralini=Wakefield. yadda yadda.

      by terrypinder on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 11:40:13 AM PDT

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      •  "Suspiciously quiet" is more like it, but OK. (1+ / 0-)
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        Guess I was remembering some Saudi youth dancing the night away after telling a reporter, "The Americans want our oil, don't they? Let them do the fighting," OWTTE.

        •  I'm considering, if I find the time (1+ / 0-)
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          to do a deep dive into how the Drill, Baby, Drill crowd quietly got their way and how almost no one seems to have noticed. But seriously, the vast majority of overseas oil comes from Canada, and most oil that is consumed in the US is drilled here.

          Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. Russia Today=FoxNews, Seralini=Wakefield. yadda yadda.

          by terrypinder on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 12:17:23 PM PDT

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          •  it varies a lot by region of the country (1+ / 0-)
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            on the west coast, we import a significant amount of middle eastern oil, but the midwest gets it from the gulf coast and canada, and the east coast is a different mixture of sources.

            •  Last stats I saw about US Oil Consumption (0+ / 0-)

              We get about 1/3 of our imported oil from Canada, about 1/5 from the Persian Gulf.

              We seem to be close to 50/50 now in terms of consumption (about half our oil is domestic), so we are getting about 10% of our oil from the Persian Gulf.

              I think with a combination of conservation and efficiency that amount of oil can be replaced.  But of course that is a thought experiment that neglects the dynamics of the world oil market.

              A few years old...

              US EIA data

              •  if you look at it from a national scale, yes (2+ / 0-)
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                but if you look at it by region or state, it varies a lot. for california, most of our oil used to be produced by CA or alaskan oil fields, but since around 1998 CA has been in a gradual decline, and alaska has tapped out pretty fast, so foreign imports have made up the difference.

                which foreign countries?

                saudi arabia: 30%
                ecuador: 22%
                iraq: 19%
                colombia: 8%
                canada: 6%
                angola: 4%

                and then a bunch of smaller imports from various places.

                by contrast, the midwest is probably getting most of the oil from mexico and canada, and probably aren't getting anything from the middle east.

                while getting off of middle eastern oil is no big deal for the country as a whole, because they're not currently on it, it's a bigger deal for CA. i'd love it if we could conserve enough to drop our oil consumption by the 25% that's supplied by iraq and SA, but that's a big drop to manage. (personally, i'd like to see us completely off oil). oil markets in the US is pretty varied by place.

              •  EIA indicates it's 60/40 now (0+ / 0-)

                Dawkins is to atheism as Rand is to personal responsibility. Russia Today=FoxNews, Seralini=Wakefield. yadda yadda.

                by terrypinder on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 02:56:50 PM PDT

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          •  I'm thinking natural gas played a part as well (0+ / 0-)

            not that I'm a fan of natural gas as a long term replacement for oil, but it's definitely helped reduce the dependence on ME oil.  

            you can shit on my face but that doesn't mean I have to lick my lips

            by red rabbit on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 01:08:59 PM PDT

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