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  •  So, if neutralizing ISIS (9+ / 0-)

    isn't the core goal of the US, what is? It seems to me that this administration has not buckled under considerable pressure to just commit the military indiscriminately.

    IMHO, ISIS needs to be stopped in the here and now.  IF our job is to supply our superior air power, while all the neighbors supply the boots on the ground, then that's the beginning of a global effort to stop ISIS before it further rampages and consolidates power.

    •  ISIS is toast (1+ / 0-)
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      The Syrian Kurds, the Iraqi Army, the Syrian Army, and the Iranians have pretty much consigned them to the dustbin as we speak.

      A funny thing, the US media now talks about Taqba, as if it's some sort of great victory for ISIS. The fact is, Taqba was behind ISIS lines for weeks. The fact that they just now focused on it shows that they are trying to consolidate their core, because they are losing everywhere else. Those same media refused to show where ISIS was losing, and why.

      The big picture is, that ISIS is losing in a big way. The American media won't present that picture though.

      … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

      by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 12:22:57 PM PDT

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      •  I half disagree (4+ / 0-)

        I think if the problem were contained to Iraq then, yes, they would quickly outlast their welcome and get routed, but the mess in Syria is enabling ISIS to thrive.

        •  Syria is a bit more problematic than Iraq (1+ / 0-)
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          but I predict that they'll be ousted there too, soon enough.

          Stay tuned.

          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

          by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:10:30 PM PDT

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        •  ISIS goes back and forth between the two states (1+ / 0-)
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          Depending on which area its leaders think has more weaknesses that the pickup-riding dingbats can exploit.

          They got their start in Jordan but soon got run out of that country by Jordan's tougher-than-nails security apparatus.

          They then fled to Iraq's Anbar province, which is largely miles and miles of nothing but miles and miles, and laid low for a few years until 2012, when Saudi and Kuwaiti zillionaires started offering big bucks to any Sunni jihadist groups willing to try and topple Assad and replace him with a Sunni theocracy.

          But even with the backing of the Saudis and Kuwaitis (and the US to an extent), they couldn't take out Assad.  Worse, their methods and foibles made them quite unpopular in Syria, so they slunk off towards Iraq again, this time with the goal of conquest as opposed to hiding out. And now that's failed, so it's back to Syria for what may be their last stand.

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          by Phoenix Woman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:44:40 PM PDT

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      •  ISIS is far from "toast" (6+ / 0-)

        They continue to expand in Syria, and they continue to consolidate control in Iraq.  

        The big picture is not that ISIS is losing in a big way.  I'm not sure where that information comes from.  They are not going to take Baghdad, and they have been halted pretty much from taking more territory in Kurdistan, but they are not static and certainly not being defeated.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 12:38:54 PM PDT

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        •  They are being defeated (3+ / 0-)

          The Syrian Kurds have them on the run, as do the Iraqi Army. Iranian units have featured big in their thwarting, but God forbid the US media ever mention that.

          ISIS is of limited military value. They know how to use suicide bombers to effect a breach in lines. They know how to use fairly simple artillery. What they don't know how to do is stand up to regular troops. The Lebanese Army defeated them, as did the Iranians. The Iraqi and Syrian armies have too, although when you factor in corruption/collusion the results have been more ambiguous.

          At the end of the day, ISIS' strategic situation is far more precarious today than it was in June.

          I'd bet they'll be out of business and underground by the end of the year.

          … the NSA takes significant care to prevent any abuses and that there is a substantial oversight system in place,” Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-California), said August 23.

          by mosesfreeman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 01:47:57 PM PDT

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        •  ISIS is toast (0+ / 0-)

          They have lost their chief patrons in Saudi Arabia and Kuwait over their hamfisted ways.  They are jumped-up thugs in pickup trucks and can't fight toe-to-toe that well.

          About the only thing they have left, besides a last stand in Syria, is to hang out in the hell on earth that is Gaza, but that's not their style.  They much prefer certain areas to the east of tbe Golan Heights, areas that have never seen IDF shelling even as Gaza as nd Hamas get pounded to bits.  So long as they hang out there, they make a perfect justification for the IDF's attacks on Gaza and other areas.

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          by Phoenix Woman on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 04:54:43 PM PDT

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    •  Primarily (2+ / 0-)
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      oil, blocking Iranian influence, oil, and making the world safe for US corporations (other than oil companies) to do business. Now to the extent that ISIS poses a threat to these interests, then the US wants to block ISIS. Note than it was only when IS threatened a major oil center in Iraq did the US act in a serious way.

      Don't get me wrong, ISIS is a monster, a monster the US and its core allies created, first by destroying Iraq, then by supporting them in Syria.

      But it's dangerous to think the US, or some combination of other countries, can simply kill ISIS away.  

      •  The US did nothing (4+ / 0-)
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        when ISIS moved on the Baiji oil refinery and still has not committed itself to airstrikes in that area.  That's the largest oil pipeline and refinery in Iraq.

        The US acted when the Kurdistan region was under threat, and when ISIS actively engaged in genocide in Sinjar... I don't think there is much evidence to suggest that this was only because of the oil.

        “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

        by ivorybill on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 12:42:39 PM PDT

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        •  The US did nothing (2+ / 0-)
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          until ISIS threatened Erbil. Hell, it couldn't even bring itself to denounce ISIS when it beheaded dozens at Raqqa.

          •  I'd have preferred (4+ / 0-)

            that the US acted more proactively earlier, once it became clear that ISIS is into beheading and mass shooting of prisoners.  But that's contrary to the general opinions in this diary.  I do agree with you that ISIS is going nowhere until there is some sort of solution to the never-ending bloodbath that is Syria. Unfortunately, the only force strong enough to intervene and stop the killing is Turkey, and I don't see them doing that at all, or at least until things get much, much worse.  Kos' idea that somehow the Arab nations will sort it out is a bit embarrassing.

            “If the misery of the poor be caused not by the laws of nature, but by our institutions, great is our sin.” Charles Darwin

            by ivorybill on Wed Aug 27, 2014 at 01:05:17 PM PDT

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