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  •  Images are made public (6+ / 0-)

    The satellite images of Russian troops and equipment in Ukraine has been made public.

    •  I believe that Russia has sent troops (4+ / 0-)
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      cybrestrike, KJG52, Pluto, poco

      but "public images" mean nothing.
        Remember all those satellite images of Saddam's army about to invade Saudi Arabia in 1990?

      "The oppressors most powerful weapon is the mind of the oppressed." - Stephen Biko

      by gjohnsit on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:27:22 AM PDT

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      •  Nearly 1,000,000 East Ukraine refugees (6+ / 2-)

        …have fled to Russia to escape the murderous attacks from West Ukraine.

        East Ukraine is not attacking West Ukraine.

        It is West Ukraine that is the aggressor, here, bombarding East Ukraine because they want to be an independent state within Ukraine and they wish to enjoy the Human Right of self determination. They are being killed because they want that freedom.

        Russia does NOT want Ukraine. Has never wanted Ukraine. Russia will never annex Ukraine. Except in USians brain-damaged fever dreams for war.

        Russia did not invade Crimea. They were already there. Crimea is the location of the Russia Navy and Crimea has been part of Russia for centuries and centuries, until 1950, when Khrushchev, a Ukrainian, gave it over to Ukraine rule, much to the dismay of the Russians of Crimea.

        The ethnic Russian Crimeans held a vote for reunification with Russia -- when the West (using Polish Neo Nazi activists) toppled Ukraine's democratically elected government last April. The Crimeans won.

        Get over it.

        I'm sure there are Russians who have crossed the border and are fighting with with their ethnic brothers against the slaughter coming from the Neo Nazi-led West Ukraine.

        So what?

        This pearl clutching is the worst of America. It is shameful. It is none of your business, anyway, and there are no Russians hiding under your beds.

        •  I suppose you see the US Civil War as (7+ / 0-)

          The War of Northern Aggression?

          To be free and just depends on us. Victor Hugo.

          by dizzydean on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:34:29 PM PDT

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        •  hr'd (4+ / 0-)

          for the neo-nazi led West Ukraine. The only fascists are the ones you are defending. You are the type that would defend the worst of the worst authoritarians just to stick it to US. All you have is disgusting propagandist tripe.

          •  There are neo-Nazis fighting in Eastern Ukraine (7+ / 0-)
            http://www.telegraph.co.uk/...

            Ukraine crisis: the neo-Nazi brigade fighting pro-Russian separatists

            Kiev throws paramilitaries – some openly neo-Nazi - into the front of the battle with rebels
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             Mr Grek, also known as “Balagan”, died in the battle and 14 others were wounded. Speaking after the ceremony Andriy Biletsky, the battalion’s commander, told the Telegraph the operation had been a “100% success”. “The battalion is a family and every death is painful to us but these were minimal losses,” he said. “Most important of all, we established a bridgehead for the attack on Donetsk. And when that comes we will be leading the way.”

            The military achievement is hard to dispute. By securing Marinka the battalion “widened the front and tightened the circle”, around the rebels’ capital, as another fighter put it. While Vladimir Putin, Russia’s president, prevaricates about sending an invasion force into Ukraine, the rebels he backs are losing ground fast.

            But Kiev’s use of volunteer paramilitaries to stamp out the Russian-backed Donetsk and Luhansk “people’s republics”, proclaimed in eastern Ukraine in March, should send a shiver down Europe’s spine. Recently formed battalions such as Donbas, Dnipro and Azov, with several thousand men under their command, are officially under the control of the interior ministry but their financing is murky, their training inadequate and their ideology often alarming.

            The Azov men use the neo-Nazi Wolfsangel (Wolf’s Hook) symbol on their banner and members of the battalion are openly white supremacists, or anti-Semites.

            •  The putzs with the HRs (5+ / 0-)

              …are merely uninformed losers.

              All they got is their little baskets of donuts to fight with.

              It's pathetic, really. Shameful to have them here. They disgrace every Diary they visit.

            •  even if that was true (3+ / 0-)
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              how does that translate into "Neo Nazi-led West Ukraine". I don't take any of your and your authoritarian loving buddies  bullshit.

            •  Yes, some openly neo-Nazi (3+ / 0-)
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              OOOOOO SCARY !!!!!  There are neo-nazi and far right wing parties and people all over Europe, in every European country and almost every European parliament. Why should Ukraine be any different?  Ukraine's government is democratically elected and its right wingers are a minority in that government. Puffing them up as you are is just BS Russian propaganda.

              Do you think its at all possible that actual Ukrainian citizens are forming paramilitary brigades to defend their own country? Why would you be shocked by that? Why would you assume their all neo-Nazis???

              Even the Guardian acknowledges its "SOME". Read the article !!!

              KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

              by fcvaguy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:09:35 PM PDT

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          •  I've fought like hell with you in I/P diaries, (1+ / 0-)
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            cryonaut

            but you're very right here.  I would add an HR if I were not the diarist.

            Lies written in ink can never disguise facts written in blood.--Lu Xun
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            by Timaeus on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 04:42:57 PM PDT

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        •  There have been reports (5+ / 0-)

          in Europe that now there are also Greek, Spanish, French and other Western Europeans fighting with the rebels in Eastern Ukraine. There have also been repeatedly reports of Americans, Swedes, Italiens fighting for  Kiev. So volontieers and mercenaries are from all over. And I am sure there are also Russian voluteers fighting in Donbass.

          The European newssites are now retracting about the invasion and some see it as a desperate try by Poroshenko to get the NATO or at least some Western military involved in the fighting.

          I also agree with you that Putin doesn't want the Eastern Ukraine it would be an Albatross for Russia and one can criticise Putin for many things, but he is not stupid.

          Btw. I learned lately that the referendum in the Crimea was the third, there have been in 1992 and in 1994 referendums where there was also a huge majority for full independence or joining Russia. However Jelzin ignored them and Kiev rejected them. Though the referendum of 1994 led to the Crimea becoming a autonomes republic, meaning mostly independent of Ukraine - the Crimea has not been a full integrated part of the Ukraine since 1994, like the Oblasts in the Ukraine which are similar to states in the US, though not as independtent as the govenors are not elected by the citizens but chosen by Kiev.

          Read the European view at the European Tribune

          by fran1 on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:07:18 PM PDT

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        •  Ridiculous propaganda (5+ / 0-)
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          charlatan, cryonaut, Timaeus, Tony Situ, FG

          worse than you can read on Tass on Russia Today. So far removed from the reality on the ground, its ridiculous.

          The 1,000,000 refugees is a number that comes from Lavrov, the Russian Foreign Minister. It is not from any other reliable source. Whatever the real number is, they are not all going to Russia. Refugees are going east into Russia and west, deeper into Ukraine depending where they feel safer. In fact, a convoy of Ukrainian refugees going west was slaughtered by Ukrainian rebels (Russians).

          And, then there are the captured active duty Russian soldiers who were captured deep into Ukraine who have said they were duped by their commanders into going. One said "Russian soldiers are being used as cannon fodder". Then, there are multiple sources from inside Russia of secret funerals of Russian soldiers, names removed from graves, and mothers demanding the Russian government be held to account for the death of their soldier sons.

          This is a Putin sponsored invasion of a sovereign country through Russian mercenaries and Russian active duty soldiers and Russian military hardware.

          Then of course, there was the shoot down of the Malaysian airliner.

          The only thing shameful Pluto, is your shameful pushing of this fact free Russian propaganda. You've been consistently wrong since the very beginning of this and with this comment you've crossed from wrong to foolishness.

          KOS: "Mocking partisans focusing on elections? Even less reason to be on Daily Kos."

          by fcvaguy on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 02:04:49 PM PDT

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