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  •  It's deep blue in plety of areas now and the red (2+ / 0-)
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    areas are slowly withering away but I think people on this site are over estimating the animus to Cuomo.

    Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

    by tigercourse on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:37:04 AM PDT

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    •  Withering? I'll find one more current, but this (1+ / 0-)
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      2010 district by district chart tells me that ain't so.

      http://www.google.com/...

      The internet and Twitter have everybody thinking that we can know the truth instantly. That's not the case. We can only know what people want us to believe instantly.

      by SpamNunn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:53:16 AM PDT

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      •  Well... almost nobody lives in those areas. (2+ / 0-)
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        The vast majority of the population is in the blue districts. Those areas have been losing population for decades.

        Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

        by tigercourse on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 11:58:32 AM PDT

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        •  Thank God for majority rule. (0+ / 0-)

          We don't want farmers and blue collar having much of a say.  Right?

          The internet and Twitter have everybody thinking that we can know the truth instantly. That's not the case. We can only know what people want us to believe instantly.

          by SpamNunn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:16:17 PM PDT

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          •  That... has nothing to do with what I said. (2+ / 0-)
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            Hillary Clinton's Liberal Ranking http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/8/10/122232/619

            by tigercourse on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:18:17 PM PDT

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          •  Not when they are conservative and vote against (3+ / 0-)
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            the interests of NYC's 16 million plus people. Remind me again why Albany is the capital of New York State? Oh yeah because the British invaded and captured NYC during the revolutionary war and to prevent that from happening again the capital was moved so it could be decentralized. Time for that to change.

            Hey Kos! Yes it is dumb to say the parties are exactly the same on every issue - but it is dangerous and willfully ignorant to not acknowledge when their rhetoric is different but the ECONOMIC outcomes are the same.

            by Tool on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 12:21:40 PM PDT

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            •  The purpose of government is to protect the (0+ / 0-)

              interests of everyone.   I must had missed your lesson in civics class.

              The internet and Twitter have everybody thinking that we can know the truth instantly. That's not the case. We can only know what people want us to believe instantly.

              by SpamNunn on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 01:07:27 PM PDT

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              •  I got an A in government and was lucky to be (6+ / 0-)

                in a high school that still offered it. They deserve representation. They do not deserve representation that is disproportionate to the actual population and which actively harms the majority of blue collar/public sector workers. Being a republican in New York often times means you are economically stupid but socially liberal.

                How many republicans in congress are elected statewide in the Northeast again? Oh yeah - I forgot.  

                Hey Kos! Yes it is dumb to say the parties are exactly the same on every issue - but it is dangerous and willfully ignorant to not acknowledge when their rhetoric is different but the ECONOMIC outcomes are the same.

                by Tool on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:04:32 PM PDT

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            •  As an Albanian (2+ / 0-)
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              I see both sides of this argument.

              On the one hand, moving the capital would decimate the entire Albany-Schenectady-Troy MSA to the point it would become Kansas.  Additionally, the cost to move government -  given all the infrastructure it already owns up here, and the cost to purchase and construct completely new infrastructure in NYC - would be astronomical.  Id' also expect the state would need to significantly beef up salaries, as the cost of living in Albany is far cheaper.

              On the other hand, a large part of the reason why pols in NY like the capital being located away from their home districts is because voters don't get a close in look at their hijinks.  The press corps in Albany simply can't keep track of it all.

              Devils advocate on that:  Putting the pols closer to big money on Wall Street might not be as beneficial as it would seem at first.  It all depends on how closely they were watched.

              So having the capital in NYC might possibly help with the corruption problem, but it would certainly destroy the economy of an entire region of the state.

              The Albany area is like DC - without government, it's dead.  

              Some I'm not sure at the end of the day moving the seat of state government to NYC really brings more benefit than its current drawbacks.  If the move would negatively affect the lives of almost 1 million people upstate and a plethora of property owners downstate who would inevitably lose their land to eminent domain to build a new Capitol and government buildings, maybe the better play is simply to try to ferret out the corruption while leaving the location of the capital as is.

              From a selfish perspective:  I don't always see downstate folks giving much consideration to upstate issues, and I feel moving the capital to NYC would most certainly make NYS government even more downstate centric than it already is.  As about 1/3 to 1/2 of the states population is upstate (depending on where you consider "upstate" to begin - which is always a debate unto itself amongst New Yorkers), a more NYC-centric government isn't in our best interests.  The cities up here (which are also quite true blue) need attention too, even if all the rural, Republican loving bumpkin yahoos want to think of themselves as "rugged individualists" that don't need the city.

              There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

              by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 05:02:30 PM PDT

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          •  Wow. (6+ / 0-)
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            Do you live in New York?  The population in most of those red areas is so sparse as to be almost non-existent.

            If I recall correctly, some of the rural counties - the entire county - has low 5 figure or even 4 figure numbers of residents.

            So your comments are rather ignorant IMO.  Based on your comments on "how much red is on a map", we'd be under the second term of President McCain right now, and George Pataki would be in his umpteenth term as NYS governor.

            /facepalm

            There was no such thing as a "wealthy" hunter-gatherer. It is the creation of human society that has allowed the wealthy to become wealthy. As such, they have an obligation to pay a bit more to sustain that society than the not-so-wealthy.

            by Darth Stateworker on Thu Aug 28, 2014 at 03:49:56 PM PDT

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