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  •  The take-away from 2010 SHOULD BE (2+ / 0-)
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    fighting centrist, molunkusmol

    that the president can't run on hope and change and then sit back, with majorities in both houses and act like a fucking Republican. OK... An OLD SCHOOL Republican, but Republican none-the-less.

    WHERE WAS THE PUBLIC OPTION!

    Folded.

    WHERE WAS SINGLE PAYER!

    Folded before the hand was dealt!

    He EARNED The Capitulator In Chief title.

    SURE, since then, he's "learned a few things," but he completely deflated his base - OUR base by NOT being the President of Change he rode in on.

    YES, we should learn that ALL elections matter, but while certainly non-right-wing voters deserve blame for what happened in '10, the President deserves a large slice of that humble pie.

    Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

    by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:54:07 AM PDT

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    •  That is irrelevant (17+ / 0-)

      What the president did or did not do has absolutely no bearing on anything I said. So, while I disagree with your characterization, I will save that discussion for a thread where that is the focus of the discussion.

      I am interested in talking about how to get more people to turn out for midterm elections to ensure we retain the senate, not what you think of the president.

      The people who deserve blame for not voting are the people who did not vote.

      **Electing Republicans to the government is like hiring pyromaniacs as firemen. They all just want to see everything burn to the ground.**

      by CatM on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:00:04 AM PDT

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      •  Yes, and yes again (3+ / 0-)
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        I wish ignorance was not an offered PhD these days.  

        Nice call

        Someone once asked me why do you always insist on taking the hard road? and I replied why do you assume I see two roads?

        by funluvn1 on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:07:44 AM PDT

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        •  I like this quote very much. (0+ / 0-)

          "Someone once asked me why do you always insist on taking the hard road? and I replied why do you assume I see two roads? "

          I would add that because in the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is king.

          We are just too close to the problem to see the answer. I always get slightly queasy when I hear that Rs will "skate' by" or worse, win senate and Gubernatorial elections because these are off year elections.

          The primaries are a pretty good indication that  our  base of Democratic  voters did not come out. The Republicans motivated their base to vote in the primaries and if one can get the base fired up for the primaries in an off year, you can bet that they will show up to vote in November too.

          Their  voters are energized and angry so they are very motivated. Our voters veer off into the whine of one of the previous commenters that..."we are sad and unhappy...Obama didn't...whatever...sigh".

          ..and then they wonder how despite being against everything that we are for, and despite polls which show that a majority of voters agree with our candidates, we still manage to loose ground every 2 years. Fight to gain it back every 4 years and languish over the long haul.

          It doesn't matter what their strategy is to blind people to their real platforms or whether or not they broadcast it out loud or hide it under a bushel. If WE don't get busy and get active, WE will be crying on each others shoulders again in November.

          The answer is to go find a candidate and volunteer to be boots on the ground. Go register voters, phone bank, walk the neighborhoods - do anything you can think of to get Democrats to the polls in November and then see how their "new" strategy - same as the "old" strategy works out for them.

    •  Even if I accept your premise, (8+ / 0-)

      I doubt spending the next two months blaming Obama for being wimpy will actually fire up our base.  (Although it seems to get you very excited, so I'm happy for you.)  Have any constructive suggestions?

      •  YES... (3+ / 0-)
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        The Dems should all be pushing on a united front highlighting all the damage the Rs have done and say they're going to do.

        NUMBER ONE on that list should be highlighting the effects - the REAL, ACTUAL effects of the debt ceiling fiasco and shutting down the government and asking voters: do you want more of this?

        Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

        by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:32:40 AM PDT

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        •  That's a good start and much (2+ / 0-)
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          more constructive than your previous comment.

          On a larger note, Democrats should let the Republicans be the party of negativity. That fires up their psychologically dysfunctional base, but alienates everyone else.  We should be the party that offers actual solutions.

          •  This isn't rocket science (5+ / 0-)

            The big problem we have is that we don't have enough Democrats among Democratic candidates.

            A far too large fraction are Republican-Lite. They don't know, much less believe, what it is to be a Republican. We're not just the opposition party, a second fascist alternative to the other fascist alternative. We're supposed to be the party that's for Main Street over Wall Street. If we SAID THAT, we'd be SERIOUS winners, EVERY TIME.

            Democrats win big when they take the gloves off and push SERIOUS, PROGRESSIVE POLICIES, not just watered-down Republican Talking Points.

            Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

            by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:59:19 AM PDT

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            •  Oops, make that... (1+ / 0-)
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              "...They don't know, much less believe, what it is to be a DEMOCRAT."

              ...I regret the error!...

              Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

              by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:06:22 AM PDT

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    •  I'm so tired of debunking this old talking point (14+ / 0-)

      The so-called Democratic majority you claim included one Joe Lieberman, who as I recall promised to filibuster any bill that included a public option.

      You know who I blame? Democrats who keep recycling debunked talking points blaming Obama for  things that aren't within his control. Talk about depressing our turnout.

      •  So says another appologist. (0+ / 0-)

        Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

        by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:47:26 AM PDT

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        •  If the ACA had been successfully filibustered (9+ / 0-)

          We probably would be worrying about what President Romney would be doing right about now.

          You can call it apologism if you like, but it doesn't change the fact that neither a public option nor single-payer had any chance of passage.

          •  Keep on believing the propaganda (1+ / 0-)
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            The President didn't even TRY to mobilize public opinion on anything during that era. He didn't even TRY leadership. He sat back and let the two houses try and cobble together something that the ultra-rich could tolerate.

            The RIGHT Way was to say, "GIVE US A PUBLIC OPTION OR BY GOD I'LL FORCE SINGLE-PAYER ON YOU!" -pound-fist-on-table!-

            You can't panzy your way through politics.

            Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

            by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:40:42 AM PDT

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            •  Yeah, and how was he supposed to force (2+ / 0-)
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              the Democrats in the Senate (which you may recall included such conservatives as Baucus) plus Lieberman to pass single payer?

              In the less than 60 days we had between the seating of Franken and the loss of Ted Kennedy, by the way?

              Facts are inconvenient things. They keep messing up your story line.

    •  I have to say, sticking to the same (10+ / 0-)

      accusations about the President instead of offering useful suggestions about boosting voter turnout isn't much different from the way Republicans stick to their same old playbook regardless of the topic.

      While the GOP is trying to take away contraception, outlaw abortion, make sure men get higher wages than women, fight against minimum wage hikes (or, in some cases, against minimum wage itself), repeal the entire healthcare law, privatize education, demonize teachers, put social security and Medicare on notice, support even more tax cuts for billionaires and big corporations, expand drilling and fracking regardless of the health and environmental effects, refuse Medicaid expansion--all issues of vital importance to women, you're stuck with griping about single payer.

      Feel free to sit home yourself because you're sore at Obama.  He isn't on the ballot, after all.  But don't keep dragging those old resentments to the fore when we try to boost Dem turnout in the midterms.

      "It ain't right, Atticus," said Jem. "No, son, it ain't right." --Harper Lee, To Kill a Mockingbird

      by SottoVoce on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:39:51 AM PDT

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      •  I offered a useful suggestion above. (0+ / 0-)

        Do try to keep up.

        Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

        by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 10:48:01 AM PDT

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        •  Which was a complete 180 from the silly comment (0+ / 0-)

          that SV replied to.

          •  Can't take valid criticism... (0+ / 0-)

            ...so you attack the speaker.

            Looks like you've earned your right-wing-troll merit badge. What are you doing posting here?

            Change the charter of corporations to serve the public interest BEFORE fiduciary concerns. 100% of Republicans and HALF the Dems are AGAINST We The People. We need TRUE Progressives, NOT Republican-Lite Dems - like Hillary, Pelosi, Feinstein...

            by RTIII on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 11:42:31 AM PDT

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            •  Oh please (1+ / 0-)
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              We get it, okay? Both sides are evil, both sides do it.

              How did Ralph Nader work out for you? Truth is, the public option was too big a step to take all at once. It would have been incredibly disruptive to the economy.

              The ACA was crafted intentionally so as to give states the option of developing their own public option. This way, a couple states can come up with their own strategies, try them out and implement them gradually. Little by little we will see what works and what doesn't, and when companies start flocking to states that have a robust public option it will be very difficult for anyone to argue against it.

              This was really the best way to go - the American public option will develop organically, and as a result will be stronger and will be accepted by more and more people.

              I know purity trolls hate reality. Sorry.

              Mediocrity cannot know excellence ~ Sherlock Holmes

              by La Gitane on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 02:43:36 PM PDT

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              •  Huh. Good point. I hadn't seen that one... (1+ / 0-)
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                ...before.
                And I can't say I'm entirely convinced that a national public option would have been either as disruptive as you suggest, or as much of a dealbreaker.  (I agree that single-payer would have been both.)  I would have liked to see Obama at least push hard for it -- as I believe he'd promised he would.
                Nor am I so sanguine about the results you predict of some (presumably blue) states' adoption of their own public options.  By that reasoning, Mississippi, Kansas, Alabama, and Texas should already be depopulated.
                Buy you've definitely given me a new way of thinking about that aspect of the ACA and I appreciate that very much; thank you.

                •  Thanks :) (0+ / 0-)

                  That's just my take, but I really do think that Obama had this in mind. No better way to convince business conservatives that something works than good old fashioned competition.

                  No state has one yet (except maybe Vermont? - I know they're working on one, not sure if it's implemented yet.)

                  California might have one in a few years...

                  Think of Massachusetts; Romneycare was the model for Obamacare. The states are a great laboratory for this sort of thing....

                  Mediocrity cannot know excellence ~ Sherlock Holmes

                  by La Gitane on Mon Sep 01, 2014 at 05:46:43 PM PDT

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