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  •  The Rams were very deep (16+ / 0-)

    on the DL.  I'm not shocked that he was cut.  He played great, but like you said, he got caught in a numbers crunch.

    If he were any other football player, I'd guarantee that he'd get picked up by another team.  Based on the pre-season, he definitely should be picked up.  The question is will he be?

    •  Re: his tackles and sacks It is important for e... (6+ / 0-)

      Re: his tackles and sacks

      It is important for everyone to realize that his pre-season stats were basically the equivalent to scoring baskets during garbage time in hoops. He was playing against many players who will either be cut, backups or practice squad.

      He is too small, too slow and physically weak. He needs to take a year and get bigger, stronger and faster. That way he will be more equipped to play with first-string NFL talent.

      •  It's like baseball spring training (1+ / 0-)
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        You go to some spring training games and see a guy who looks great, but he's been coming in sometime in the late innings, when most of the guys who will be on the major league team have already left. He's got to be doing MUCH better than the guy playing in the early innings for you to conclude that he's the better player.

        The first time I went to spring training, I was very impressed by a guy in that situation, and disappointed when he was sent to the minor league camp. But when he was called up in mid-season and facing major league players, he wasn't nearly so impressive. Still did sort of OK, but certainly not the star that he looked like in the late innings of spring training games.

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        by leevank on Sat Aug 30, 2014 at 02:07:29 PM PDT

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      •  All up and coming players have to prove themselves (1+ / 0-)
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        against the other up and comers.  He showed he can play in this league.
        If the Rams were a little weaker talent wise on the DL, they would not have cut him.  He was one of the last ones cut.  

        If he was "too small, too slow and physically weak" he would have been cut a long time ago, especially with their depth.

        •  He IS too small, slow and weak. That is a FACT.... (1+ / 0-)
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          He IS too small, slow and weak. That is a FACT. As a D-III defensive lineman, I was faster in the 40, 150 lbs stronger on the bench, and 40 lbs heavier...and I was told I was too short to play at just under 6 feet.

          He has some skills, but he was playing against 3rd rate players in the pre-season. He needs to get bigger, stronger and faster to compete with NFL 1st stringers. As much as we all want him to succeed, he has work to do if he is to play in the NFL.

          •  He was the defensive player of the year in the SEC (0+ / 0-)

            This is a player who was a really good college player in the best football conference in D-1.    Of course, that doesn't always translate to the next level, but it's rare for the SEC defensive player of the year not to find a place in the NFL.

            Probably what hurt him the most was his speed.  If he was faster he could find a niche as a special teams player, and/or he might have a chance to transition to LB in a 3-4 scheme where his size wouldn't be as much of an issue.  Of course, there's a limit to how much speed you can develop.  As it stands he's limited to playing defensive end, and he's on a team that has two elite starters and proven veteran back-ups who are bigger, faster, and stronger than him.  Still, they're talking about him making it as a practice squad player somewhere, and other teams may consider him as a situational player.

            •  In college...yes...he was a good player... (0+ / 0-)

              See my comment below. Tim Tebow won the Heisman Trophy, as did countless others before him who also didn't make NFL teams.

              Michael Sam does not have the physical attributes or skill set to play in the NFL, but he could if he would take a year and work to improve his weaknesses.

              He needs to be physically stronger. His 225 rep test was abysmal, to say the least. If he was Clowney with wide receiver speed and a superbody, he could get away with being a little weak.

              He needs to be faster. When I can run a faster 40 than you as a DL, you need to work to improve your speed.

              I'm not bashing Sam. I'm telling it like it is. He's not ready for the NFL, but the base of ability is sufficient that he COULD make it with some work.

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              by Love Me Slender on Sun Aug 31, 2014 at 09:59:45 AM PDT

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              •  QB is a different story than DE. (0+ / 0-)

                So is the Heisman Trophy v. the SEC Defensive Player of the Year award.

                No question, there are legions of college QBs who had decorated careers in college whose skill set failed to translate to the pro level.  

                It's a different story when you are talking about SEC Defensive Player of the Year.  There are a handful of winners who have had short NFL careers (David Pollack), but usually these shortened careers were related to injuries, not to problems with skills translating to the pro level. If you're good enough to win recognition from coaches as the D player of the year in the SEC, odds are your good enough to play at the next level. (past 10 years, 100 percent of the winners have played in the pros, some have developed into All-Pros)  In the case of QBs and the Heisman, the percentages are significantly worse.  

                I don't disagree that Sam needs to improve the measurables -- maybe even drop weight in order to gain speed with the goal of trying to transition to LB (which at a minimum would open up the door to being a special teams player).  In another year he may be in a better position to make the transition.  In terms of skills, I don't think he's really that far away from where he needs to be.  His physical skills aren't.

      •  It's called the practice squad. (1+ / 0-)
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        davidinmaine

        He makes it past waivers look for the rams to sign him to it. Mr. Sam is making sacks and plays against scrubs true, but these are for the most part D I varsity starters. That shows potential to do it at the next level. He's close, very close to a roster spot, but not in St. Louis. It is the NFL and with bigger faster stronger comes injuries. Depth becomes critical. Personally I don't think he makes it past waivers in a perfect world. Yes his being gay will have something to do with that in some franchises, but in most others the real question is weather or not he can play.

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        by flycaster on Sat Aug 30, 2014 at 10:13:07 PM PDT

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