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  •  Even Churkin acknowledged the presence (5+ / 0-)

    of Russian volunteers. And of course there are all these stories about dead, wounded and captured Russian soldiers. If they were killed in Russia, Putin would have screamed to high heavens about it. Since he's keeping mum, they obviously died in Ukraine. Do we really want to pretend that active duty soldiers went on vacation to another country and joined a militia there?

    •  In the thousands, no less. (3+ / 0-)
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      FG, Lawrence, middleagedhousewife

      That's a helluva vacation package.

      Truth be told, though: the way this has been whipped up in Russian media, I can see thousands of volunteers lining up to go in. If that were the case, the question would be whether, and to what extent, they were given permission to do so (was it a "look the other way" situation? Or were the orders more explicit?) But that's all assuming that the "vacationers" claim is accurate in the first place. It's the same fuzzy territory that people like Borodai, Bashirov, and Girkin/Strelkov have been occupying, as Russian citizens who say they're there on their own devices.

      Saint, n. A dead sinner revised and edited. - Ambrose Bierce

      by pico on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 11:22:36 AM PDT

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      •  Russians vacation using APCs (2+ / 0-)
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        Lawrence, Timaeus

        Didn't you know?  Never know when bears might attack.  Need to bring APC, anti-tank weaponry, mortars, just in case.

        •  And don't forget the T-72 tanks and the howitzers. (1+ / 0-)
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          Timaeus

          Be sure and stop by the local hunting store to get them, along with some ifv's.

          Russia's local stores have the kind of items that U.S. militia's dream about in their wettest of dreams.

          "A candle loses nothing by lighting another candle" - Mohammed Nabbous, R.I.P.

          by Lawrence on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 02:38:25 PM PDT

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      •  There were thousands of volunteers. (3+ / 0-)
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        BobTheHappyDinosaur, pico, Timaeus

        They were not enough. Here is an article that might answer some of your questions about them:

        http://www.novayagazeta.ru/...

        In August Putin must have realized that in order to win, Russia has to use regular troops instead of volunteers. Initially they sent a few battalions (that's where dead soldiers are coming from) but that didn't help. They had to proceed to a full-scale invasion.

        •  How reliable do you think this account it? (1+ / 0-)
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          FG

          I mean, I like Kostyuchenko for obvious reasons, so I'm trying to put up an extra wall of skepticism. It sounds plausible enough? I wasn't sure if the interviewee was confusing the Cossack division name with the ataman's, but otherwise...

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          by pico on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 12:02:21 PM PDT

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          •  I think it's pretty reliable given that it (1+ / 0-)
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            squares with other accounts I've seen. Use of military commissariats for recruitment, lots of cossacks and Chechens. I think there may be another stream of volunteers going directly to Strelkov, Bezler etc.

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