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  •  At least 3 of those Dems (none)
    got considerable help from Kossacks (and Dem bloggers in general) -- we need to remember this next time they use these sites for fundraising

    Stephanie Herseth of South Dakota

    Ben Chandler of Kentucky (won in a special election in Feb. 2004 with money raised by Kossacks)(Most of us should remember this election)

    Melissa Bean of Illinois

    "Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast." Lewis Carroll (CA-15)

    by kathyp on Thu Jul 21, 2005 at 09:43:58 PM PDT

    •  Herseth might as well be a Rethug (none)
      This is far away from the first time she has gone centrist-to-conservative sine being elected.

      "There is no god, and I am his prophet." SocraticGadfly

      by steverino on Thu Jul 21, 2005 at 09:51:24 PM PDT

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    •  And all three (none)
      represent a clearly Republican-leaning districts< won by Bush in 2004. You want to defeat them?? Fine, but your "truly progressive" candidates will lose badly to very conservative Republicans. Do you want that??? If so - fine once again..

      In fact - they are the most progressive candidates electable from their districts. Their districts are not located in Bay Area or NYC....

      •  You can get more progressive than that (none)
        Let's take a state as conservative as South Dakota -- Montana -- and another issue -- environmentalism.

        Schweitzer got elected governor maintaining strong core environmentalist values while carefully packaging himself as a "conservationist and not one of those "damned liberal environmentalists."

        As Lakoff has said, and as Rove knows, it's the packaging.

        Again, I'll say it -- to not even do as well as the Senate on the library snoop provision? That's bad packaging by Pelosi, et al. And, as others have noted, not all the "dirty 44" are from that dangerous of districts.

        "There is no god, and I am his prophet." SocraticGadfly

        by steverino on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 12:46:04 AM PDT

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        •  Sure (none)
          But i noticed that many Jewish and Hispanics congressmen vote more "hawkish" then typical Democrat in even reliable districts. Hawaii has rather hawkish tradition from Pearl Harbor days. Alabama and Georgia are so hawkish, that it may influence even Black congressmen from these states. And so on...
        •  I am two hands for Schweitzer, BTW, (none)
          but his approach will not work everywhere. And he was very well-known after previous Senate attempt. Add to this that the cost of campaigning in Montana is very low by present standards. And so on...
    •  Herseth voted FOR the bankrupcy bill. (none)
      But she wasnt content just with voting for it. She added her name to a list of 20 Dems who urged it out on the floor.

      "New Democrats" (Isnt plutocracy old?)

      Herseth sucks. Dont forget.

      Name and shame.

      Should a liberal Dem blog be driven into "safe zones" by a tame party, or should it drive a tame party to break out?

      by NYCee on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 12:57:08 AM PDT

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