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    •  Except, in the case of NATO, it is an escalation (2+ / 0-)
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      Sandino, Azazello

      What we are concerned about here is an increase of tensions that may lead to a wider conflict.

      http://carnegieeurope.eu/...

      Besides being one of NATO’s biggest exercises since 2006, Steadfast Jazz is also the first time that the U.S.-led military alliance has established a major presence along Russia’s border with the EU.

      From your link:
      http://www.businessinsider.com/...
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      In reality, the route the aircraft were flying wasn't suspect: Russian bombers periodically fly across the Baltic Sea to reach the Russian exclave of Kaliningrad, located between Lithuania and Poland.
      ...
      For sure the Russian military activity didn’t come unannounced. As said, it was neither the first time nor will be the last to see Moscow’s bombers, fighter jets performing simulated attacks on strategic targets around the world.
      ...
      •  LOL, your man Putin is invading and annexing (2+ / 0-)
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        charlatan, bananapouch1

        territory in eastern Europe, but it's NATO that is raising tensions?  lololol   Do you actually believe your own bullshit?

        •  Did you even bother to check the date? (0+ / 0-)

          It is all about pushing the Eastern European countries towards a privatized, neoliberal, open market economic system dominated by a "benevolent hegemon". This is an economic war being played out for Ukraine's resources.

          http://carnegieeurope.eu/...

          Thursday, October 31, 2013

          Beginning November 2, over 6,000 NATO troops will carry out large-scale exercises in Poland and the Baltic states. It is all part of the alliance’s efforts to launch its much-delayed NATO Response Force next year.
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          The exercise is timely. It is taking place just weeks before the EU’s Eastern Partnership summit in Vilnius, with the Kremlin openly twisting arms to prevent Ukraine and Moldova from moving closer to the EU. For the Baltic countries, Russia’s behavior amply proves the political and symbolic importance of this NATO exercise.

          It is important for another reason, too.

          Steadfast Jazz takes place against the background of a widening gap between France and Germany over defense and security matters. The question of how Europe’s two most important countries perceive defense and security is significant. It influences Europe’s foreign policy ambitions, and has an impact on NATO.

          France is sending 1,200 troops to Steadfast Jazz, by far the largest contingent. Poland is sending 1,040 soldiers. Even more interesting are the American and German contributions. The United States is sending 160 personnel; Germany is sending 55, according to NATO.
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          Do you know the import of the Villnius summit?
          http://carnegieeurope.eu/...
          Why the Eastern Partnership Is Crucial for the EU and the West

          Tuesday, September 10, 2013

          While the world is busy trying not to go completely crazy over Syria and Egypt, the EU is quietly having a stab at the wonderful game of geopolitics. That game is taking place in a completely different theater: Eastern Europe.

          Western politicians everywhere should take a close look at how this plays out. Not only are there eminently important issues at stake in countries such as Ukraine, Georgia, Moldova, and Azerbaijan. The EU’s Eastern Partnership could also be the blueprint for Western diplomacy in the emerging “nonpolar” world, a disorderly place with a high demand for stability but without a benevolent hegemon that is dominant and good-natured enough to guarantee it.

          The EU’s Eastern Partnership, launched in 2009, is the bloc’s tool for relations with six former Soviet countries: Armenia, Azerbaijan, Belarus, Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. The EU’s aim is to move these states toward democracy, the rule of law, and open-market economics, in order to stabilize Europe’s Eastern glacis.

          The fact that all you can respond with are ad hominem attacks tells us that you have no clue as to what is really going on. Good to see that you have dutifully learned your two minutes hate.
          •  So what do you prefer? (0+ / 0-)
            a privatized, neoliberal, open market economic system
            The Eastern European nations (Poland, Baltic states etc) that have followed this model have seen rapid increases in prosperity. Would you prefer the corrupt oligarch economy which Ukraine and Russia have? Or maybe Soviet Communism is the answer?

            I'm wondering whether you wouldn't have been upset that the Berlin Wall fell given that East Germany started moving towards a privatized, neoliberal, open market economic system.

            •  I prefer a balanced system (0+ / 0-)

              I do not consider what is occurring in the US to be healthy for the world. What the neoliberal policies are doing is increasing the wealth of a very small percentage of the world's population. The US has the greatest "prosperity" in the world but now also has one of the greatest levels of inequality in the developed countries.

              The Eastern European nations (Poland, Baltic states etc) that have followed this model have seen rapid increases in prosperity.
              Yes. Prosperity for the country as a whole. But not for a very large percentage of the population. The following is from the World Bank and is typical of most of the Eastern European states. Take note that they depend very much on migration to the Western European states for jobs and income.

              Many Ukrainians want to join the EU because they hope to freely travel, work and live in Europe. But, can Europe absorb another influx of workers when they currently have such high unemployment themselves?

              http://www.worldbank.org/...
              Young, Under-employed, and Poor in Poland
              February 10, 2014

              STORY HIGHLIGHTS

                  Unemployment in Poland is about 14 percent; nearly 25 percent among young workers.
                  High unemployment rates and lack of opportunities lead to difficult living conditions and poverty, with some opting to look for jobs outside the country.

              Almost two million Poles reside abroad for more than three months each year, with about two-thirds living outside the country for more than a year, according to the Poland Statistical Office. Most emigrants are younger than 35, and many come from four of the poorest eastern regions in Poland.

              Although the country’s economy grew in real terms by 81 percent between 1990 and 2010, gaps between the poorest and wealthiest regions continue to widen. Poverty remains a real issue, especially for families with many children, youth, seniors, and low-income rural households.

              Would you prefer the corrupt oligarch economy which Ukraine and Russia have?
              There is considerable difference between the two countries. One of the things that too many here refuse to recognize is that Putin has brought the country from almost bankruptcy to now being listed as a high income country by the World Bank. Rather than discuss the pros and cons of Putin in a rational manner many simply choose to demonize him and thus completely fail to understand what is really going on in Russia and why Putin currently enjoys a popularity rating of 87%.
              Vladimir Putin - Economic, industrial, and energy policies

              Under the Putin administration from 2001 to 2007, the economy made real gains of an average 7% per year,[138] making it the 7th largest economy in the world in purchasing power. Russia's nominal Gross Domestic Product (GDP) increased 6 fold, climbing from 22nd to 10th largest in the world. In 2007, Russia's GDP exceeded that of Russian SFSR in 1990, meaning it overcame the devastating consequences of the 1998 financial crisis and preceding recession in the 1990s.[12]

              During Putin's eight years in office, industry grew substantially, as did production, construction, real incomes, credit, and the middle class.

              Or maybe Soviet Communism is the answer?
              Putin himself has an answer to that: "Anyone who doesn't regret the passing of the Soviet Union has no heart. Anyone who wants it restored has no brains."

              The collapse of the Soviet Union was a traumatic and devastating period for many Russians - especially economic.

    •  Did you actually watch the NATO produced video? (2+ / 0-)
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      Lepanto, Azazello

      It describes the new raison d'etre for expanding NATO now that Afghanistan is winding down.

      It's a real eye opener.

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