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  •  If this comes down to (6+ / 0-)

    50-49 for the republicans, his vote will be worth a fortune.

    Wanting to own a gun is an immediate indicator that you should be the last person to have one.

    by pollbuster on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:37:20 PM PDT

    •  Isn't Blagojevich in the federal penetentiary? (7+ / 0-)

      For something like that?

      "Corporations exist not for themselves, but for the people." Ida Tarbell 1908.

      by Navy Vet Terp on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:46:15 PM PDT

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    •  Interesting thought. Wonder if he's smart enough (5+ / 0-)

      to get full value for it?

      LG: You know what? You got spunk. MR: Well, Yes... LG: I hate spunk!

      by dinotrac on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 03:47:47 PM PDT

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    •  Who would he caucus with? (2+ / 0-)
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      kd4dean, BoswellSupporter

      If it's 50-49 in favor of Republicans would he deem that to be a Republican majority?

      Truthfully I don't him to answer.  Anything that could potentially hurt his candidacy is bad.  Personally I hope he'd be the 50th Dem in this scenario, but who can say for sure.

      On a different note, if it is 50/50 the Senate will be CRAZY.  Repubs and Dems will be bidding on the Independents on every vote.

      Unless of course you believe Obama and Reid.  Apparently I'm told that the 60 vote threshold is sacred and therefore nothing can get done.

      I am not looking forward to having the Independents drive every vote rightward.  But it is still better than how the government will shut down if Repubs control both chambers of Congress.

      •  Orman (5+ / 0-)

        Orman gave money to the Kansas Democratic Party, Nancy Boyda, Bill Richardson, Al Franken, Bill Nelson, other Dems that I can't think of off the top of my head.  Hillary Clinton

        He gave money to Scott Brown through the Fiscal Responsibility PAC.  I'm personally fine with Elizabeth Warren, but I know a lot of people in the world of finance who are scared of Dodd-Frank and the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau.  

        Orman also gave money to Todd Akin (yikes) back in 2006, he has ties to the Kansas City area so maybe Akin was pushing something through that played a role there.

        I think Orman would caucus with the Dems based on this evidence.  I think that may have been a pre-condition of Taylor dropping out, just a hunch.  Bob Kerrey didn't want to deal with Chuck Hasselbrook and a true primary in 2012.  Orman even quit the race in 2008 when he knew there was going to be a primary for the Dem nomination.  

        IA-2 Born, raised, currently reside.

        by BoswellSupporter on Wed Sep 03, 2014 at 06:32:02 PM PDT

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        •  Thanks for the insight (3+ / 0-)
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          kd4dean, MichaelNY, BoswellSupporter

          My read of anyone with the track record you describe is: POLITICIAN.

          Sound like a lot of backroom deals and opportunistic tradeoffs.  Not sure that is the guy I want cutting a deal on every vote.  So I will be hoping he is at least the 51st vote.  I admit, though, that even if he is the 50th and extracts a heavy toll for it, it is better than the Republicans controlling the Senate agenda.

          Bottom line though is that I think we can expect little by way of legislative accomplishment in Obama's last two years.  But at least if a SCOTUS appointment comes up we have a chance of getting a liberal justice (assuming Obama goes that way - never can be too sure since in my book he is a moderate no matter how hard the Republicans try to make us believe otherwise).

      •  He says (2+ / 0-)
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        kd4dean, CWinebrinner

        he'll caucus with whichever side is most willing to work toward real solutions, rather than catering to its extremists. Sounds to me like there's a pretty clear winner in that contest, even if he's refusing to say so.

        "These are not candidates. These are the empty stand-ins for lobbyists' policies to be legislated later." - Chimpy, 9/24/10

        by NWTerriD on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 01:35:53 AM PDT

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        •  Just words (1+ / 0-)
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          that can be spun in whatever direction they need to be.  every Republican I know swears it is Obama, Reid and Pelosi who refuse to compromise and are obstructionist.  Not saying it makes sense, just saying that both sides argue the opposition is the obstruction.

          I've got nothing against Orman, and I totally understand why he is playing this the way he is.  I just hope that it is a strategy to get elected and caucus with Dems and not a strategy to get elected and then exert leverage.

    •  Even if it comes down to 50(D)-49(R) (1+ / 0-)
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      nothing is guaranteed. You have to keep in mind Angus King's crap. Between King and Orman, it could either end up 51 D 49 R, or 51 R 49 D under that scenario. Which means it's likely we won't know whose hands the Senate is in even the day after the election.

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