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  •  No Political Commitment (0+ / 0-)

    Although I wouldn't vote for such a person, on an ethical level, I prefer an honest fascist to a political opportunist.  What kind of support can you expect from a guy who says he is going to caucus with whoever has the power?  You certainly can't expect this kind of guy to support what he thinks is the best policy on a given issue.  You can only expect that he will always be calculating how his vote will help himself.  We have too many pols like that -- including, unfortunately, most elected Democrats.  I wouldn't want to share any responsibility for handing senatorial power to a guy like this.  

    •  Okay (0+ / 0-)

      so then you're voting for Pat Roberts.

      Now located in the greatest city in the world! On 9/9, vote John Liu in SD-11 and S.J. Jung in SD-16, and let's get back the NY State Senate!

      by AndersonDelValle on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 07:28:51 AM PDT

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      •  Not Voting In Kansas (0+ / 0-)

        I am not a resident of Kansas.  In any event, it is clear from my comments, that I would not vote for Roberts.  I merely said that as an ethical proposition I prefer an honest person, even if I vehemently disagree with them, to a political opportunist.  Based on this:

        "Now located in the greatest city in the world! On 9/9, vote John Liu in SD-11 and S.J. Jung in SD-16, and let's get back the NY State Senate!"

        I would think you would have an appreciation of the dangers of voting for outright political opportunists.  But you probably plan to vote for Cuomo in November because he's the Democrat.

        I mostly vote Green.  I will vote for Democrats that are in the small Democratic wing of the Democratic Party from which I exclude all of the beloved party figures like Bill Clinton (NAFTA anyone?  Welfare "reform"), Hillary Clinton (neocon), Obama (another gutless corporate tool and war monger).  The lesser of two evils is still evil.

        •  Then you wouldn't vote for Taylor either (0+ / 0-)

          so I'm not sure what your point is, that Orman can caucus with Republicans? Yes, that can happen. It's a calculated risk you take.

          •  The Point (0+ / 0-)

            My point was stated early on in my original post, namely, disagreement with the assertion that Taylor's decision to drop out "can really only make life more difficult for the Republicans".  

            Assuming Taylor's name does not appear on the ballot, his decision to drop out seems to cause absolutely no trouble for the Republicans.  Orman has apparently made it clear that he does not intend to help the Democrats retain control of the Senate.  He will caucus with them if them if they don't need him to control the Senate, and he will caucus with the Republicans if they don't need him to control the Senate.  How does this make things more difficult for the Republicans?

            •  The defeat (0+ / 0-)

              of an incumbent Republican senator in a state where Republicans have won every Senate election for 75 years makes things very much worse for the Republicans because it's a vote they can't count on, period.

              •  Wrong (0+ / 0-)

                There is only the smallest theoretical scenario in which Orman hurts the Republicans -- even if he defeats Roberts.  If, after the election the count is 50-49 in favor of the Republicans, Orman caucuses with the Republicans.  If the count is 50-49 in favor of the Democrats, he caucuses with the Democrats but, of course, his vote isn't needed because with a 50/50 split, with Biden as VP, the Dems control the Senate anyway.  (This, of course, ignores the fact that so long as Dems allow the fillibuster in its current form, they don't really control the Senate without 60 votes. I suppose Orman would make things more difficult for the Republicans if after the election there are 59 Democratic Senators, with Orman giving the Dems their 60th vote.)

                In any event, Taylor's decision to drop out really should have no impact on the life of the Republicans given Orman's whorish pledge to caucus with whatever party controls the Senate.  Why any self-respecting Democrat would lift a finger to help Orman given his pledge is beyond me.  

                •  If the count (0+ / 0-)

                  is 50-49 Republicans, it's still tied because of Joe Biden. Orman has not said he would caucus with Republicans in that situation.

                  If Republicans win 51 seats outright, then it doesn't matter what Orman does. He can do whatever he wants.

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