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  •  I'll see you on Grozny (2+ / 0-)
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    (note correct phoneme) and raise you one Fallujah :-)

    "Oh,  but Fallujah isn't part of the USA!" you will counter.  Which is true but irrelevant when it comes to demonstrating a concern for human lives.  Oh, and Mr. Droney says hi too.

    Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

    by corvo on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 10:41:12 AM PDT

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    •  I'll call, and show you my hand of consistency. (7+ / 0-)

      I didn't favor the Iraq war, so I don't have to do what you do, which is to say Grozny destruction is good because United States.

      Somehow, I don't think the Ukrainians give a shit that the US has done something bad when it comes to whether to approve of an invasion.

      Here, let me repeat this just for you to answer all your questions:

      Recognizing reality doesn't make you pro war.

      Being anti war doesn't mean you have to pretend that an invasion is justified.

      Being anti war doesn't mean that you have to say that the war was provoked.

      Being anti war doesn't mean that you have to say that a mutual DEFENSE treaty is an act of aggression.

      Being anti war doesn't mean that "the US would do the same" is an argument for war, since if you're anti war, you'd be against "the same" no matter who did it.

      Being anti war doesnt' mean that you get to ignore the sordid nationalism and history of imperialism that is stoked by Putin because it's not US nationalism and imperialism.

      Being anti war doesn't make it necessary to blind yourself to this actual war for oil.

      Being anti war isn't being pro everyone but the US.

      And Russia's invasion of a neighbor isn't a cold war.  It's a hot one.  It's only cold to the people who live far away and are trying to find some sort of historical revisionism to poo poo tanks over a border.

      Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

      by Inland on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 10:46:32 AM PDT

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      •  asfd (2+ / 0-)
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        I didn't favor the Iraq war, so I don't have to do what you do, which is to say Grozny destruction is good because United States.
        Not sure where I said or even implied that.  Could you clarify?

        Meanwhile, I'm still not sure why we have to save Ukraine for the financial interests of, say, Joe Biden's son.

        As far as your pious platitudes are concerned, of course the Ukraine war is a hot one.  It's just not one we need to be involved in.  You want to be "anti war" by promoting one side against the other? Whatevs, dude.

        Dogs from the street can have all the desirable qualities that one could want from pet dogs. Most adopted stray dogs are usually humble and exceptionally faithful to their owners as if they are grateful for this kindness. -- H.M. Bhumibol Adulyadej

        by corvo on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 02:44:16 PM PDT

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        •  I'd give up to, if I were you. (0+ / 0-)
          Meanwhile, I'm still not sure why we have to save Ukraine for the financial interests of, say, Joe Biden's son.
          Meanwhile, you don't address any of the real arguments made to assist Ukraine.  Instead, you imply that someone's got a financial interest in....sanctions?  Who knows.  You're giving up and that's a good thing.
          You want to be "anti war" by promoting one side against the other?
          WIshing for a quick and decisive victory isn't being anti war. It's the same wish that every invader has, and it hasn't stopped a war yet.

          Someone actually admitted on DK, "Yes. If it pisses you and the other Greenwald-Tweet-pearl-clutchers off, it's smart." Wow. Just....wow.

          by Inland on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 06:30:22 PM PDT

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