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  •  In voting, you only get the lesser of two evils (2+ / 0-)
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    BelgianBastard, Quabbin

    ... because unless we change our voting system (first-past-the-post), that's a cardinal rule.

    So you either work to get one of those two choices to be less evil for you, or you sabotage yourself by fielding a third candidate that is guaranteed to lose.

    You want different? Work to change the voting system.  

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    by sacrelicious on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 03:40:22 PM PDT

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    •  Yes, but proportional representation... (3+ / 0-)
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      has it's own problems.

      In Belgium we have 12 parties in the federal parliament despite a party needing a minimum of 5% of votes to win any seats. The result is it takes forever to form a government (we voted at the end of May, still no government).

      I ride the wild horse .

      by BelgianBastard on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 03:48:31 PM PDT

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      •  We haven't had a government (4+ / 0-)

        since sometime in 2009.

        To believe that markets determine value is to believe that milk comes from plastic bottles. Bromley (1985)

        by sneakers563 on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 04:12:33 PM PDT

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      •  Proportional voting is just one alternative (1+ / 0-)
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        BelgianBastard

        IRV [1] or the more complicated but less game-able Condorcet [2] method are considered more resilient choices to direct Preference voting [3].

        Also of note, the actual electoral system [4] in Belgium sounds very particular - 3 electoral colleges?  We have trouble with just one here in the USA.

        Electoral system

        Preference voting
        Proportional representation on the basis of four constituencies (Flanders, Wallonia, the German-speaking region and the Brussels region) and three electoral colleges.
        12 Members will be elected by the Dutch-speaking electoral college(Flanders and Brussels)
        8 Members by the French-speaking college (Wallonia + Brussels),
        1 Member by the German-speaking college.
        In 2014, 21 Members will be elected for the European Parliament.

        Also, IMHO Condorcet was a true bad-ass, the Nikolai Tesla of electoral math.

        [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/...
        [2] http://en.wikipedia.org/...
        [3] http://en.wikipedia.org/...
        [4] http://www.elections2014.eu/...

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        by sacrelicious on Thu Sep 04, 2014 at 11:12:48 PM PDT

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        •  Those are the elections to the (0+ / 0-)

          European parliament.

          The Federal parliament has a different system. The Senate used to have a different system from that, but the changed it to the same to screw a particular politician. And then there are the six  'deelstaten' which are unique in the world because their territories overlap. You have three communities (Dutch/French/German speaking) and three regions (Flanders, Wallonia and Brussels, the latter being bilingual). The Dutch-speaking community and Flanders have merged their parliaments, and it just gets more complicated from there.

          I would consider doing a diary about it, but I might accidently kill one of the few readers with boredom...

          I ride the wild horse .

          by BelgianBastard on Fri Sep 05, 2014 at 12:37:15 PM PDT

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