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  •  Exactly... (4.00)
    The DLC is not centrist. The DLC is corporatist.

    I've no problems with centrists or moderates or even conservatives...

    ... but the DLC is to be cut off at the knees.

    Sen. Clinton... have you no shame? Why do you associate yourself with these destructionists?

    "We have the power. Sorry if you don't like the fact that we've decided to use it." Posted by Jeremey*in*MS at February 3, 2005 01:59 PM

    by Andrew C White on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 10:01:38 AM PDT

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    •  if you're DLC then you're not with me (4.00)
      The Democrat platform is the one everyone wants in this country

      Higher living wages.
      Honorable retirement.
      Job benefits for health care.
      More money for effective, quality education.

      Ohio has Rep.Conyers challenging the norms of Republican policy.

      Maybe Hillary needs to take notes from him.

      •  so (none)
        tell me how the DLC does NOT want those things...

        Higher living wages.
        Honorable retirement.
        Job benefits for health care.
        More money for effective, quality education.

        •  A wise man once said... (none)
          "Fuck the DLC!"

          Paging Doctor Dean.

          by ABBinMI on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 10:56:50 AM PDT

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        •  Because the DLC wants (none)
          what their corporate plutocratic overlords tell them to want.

          "We have the power. Sorry if you don't like the fact that we've decided to use it." Posted by Jeremey*in*MS at February 3, 2005 01:59 PM

          by Andrew C White on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 11:04:11 AM PDT

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          •  i believe some of that (none)
            i don't believe all of that.

            i know they're corporatist.  it's not something that earns much respect.

            but it doesn't mean that they still don't want more money for education, for instance.

            i mean, some corporations actually do want more money to go into education so they can hire better quality employees.

            but some don't.

            •  The point is (none)
              that the DLC doesn't have any agenda beyond what their corporate overlords tell them to have.

              And after that I don't care what they have to say... they are the enemy of any good self-respecting Democrat that believes this party and this government and this country belond to We the People of the United States of America.

              Remove the leadership of the DLC and maybe... maybe... we'll see if there is any good in that outfit... but as it stands today they are everybit the enemy of We the People as the Republicans are.

              "We have the power. Sorry if you don't like the fact that we've decided to use it." Posted by Jeremey*in*MS at February 3, 2005 01:59 PM

              by Andrew C White on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 05:03:32 PM PDT

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        •  a few examples... (none)
          The Telecom bill of 1996

          the bankruptcy bill

          NAFTA without worker/environmental protections

          social security privatization

          and on and on

    •  She's associates herself... (4.00)
      Because she is one of them.
    •  Exactly (none)

      -- but don't underestimate how many Democrats are on board.  Do you think Hillary is the only one? Believe me - she wouldnt be showing her face unless she had plenty of support - open and covert.

      I am going to say it one more time and keep saying it until progressives get it.  We are not fighting about Democrats and Republicans anymore but something much more subtle and insidious.  The corporate fascism that you rightly point out as the base of the DLC permeates BOTH parties - which is why we have so little meaningful or strong opposition of this administrations policies and also weak advocacy for blue collar, working person issues.  Why do you think Dean and any other reformers get so little vocal support and so much attack?

      We had better soon get wise to the real deal cause time is wasting.  The next election will have two candidates nominally from each party but they will actually be from one root, one point of view unless we upset the apple cart.

      Stop Looking For Leaders - WE are the Leaders!!!

      by SwimmertoFreedom04 on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:57:41 PM PDT

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      •  Believe me... (none)
        I am well aware that the real battle is between We the People and the Plutocrats... of both parties. The DLC is nicely representative of the enemy within the Democratic Party.

        Cut them off at the knees, support Chairman Dean, take seats on our local Democratic Committees, get our people on the state committees, get our own candidates elected to local offices, use our own small donations... in large numbers... to buy the Democratic Party back from the plutocrats and then to buy back our government, as perverse as that is, if that is what we have to do.

        "We have the power. Sorry if you don't like the fact that we've decided to use it." Posted by Jeremey*in*MS at February 3, 2005 01:59 PM

        by Andrew C White on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 05:11:42 PM PDT

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