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  •  If the Iranians are really annoyed (none)
    and have nuclear weapons (I am not inclined to be sure these reports are true, yet) they might instead use them to neutralize oil transshipment facilities along the other coast of the Persian Gulf, aand save the rest for any American land invasions.

    That would cause us far more serious difficulties.

    •  Choking off the straits (4.00)
      The Iranians have long recognized taht their exposure in the Persian Gulf/Arabian Sea is their greatest strategic weakness.  The Shah sought to overcome that by buying advanced US built naval vessels.  Post-revolution, that option was foreclosed, so the Iranians have since acquired a vast array of anti-ship missile systems, both land and ship based.  They've acquired a good number of the old Soviet anti-ship missile cutters, bizarre-looking small craft that carry a single anti-ship cruise missile, they are both fast and so small that they are easily concealed.  Under a tarp at a remote dock, they would look no different from any large dhow. If they sink a supertanker or two (or a US aircraft carrier) in the Straits of Hormuz, that chokes the whole thing off.
      •  ...which would (none)
        send the price of oil into the stratosphere, and deprive Iran's largest markets--most of them European, and the USA not among them--of oil.

        Talk about a Cheney wet dream.

        •  forget oil (none)
          the hormuz strait is the only way we can supply our troop via sea. Once the Iranian close the strait, our troop in Iraq is sitting duck. (forget berlin style air supply. We'll go bankrupt by  third week air lifting fuel and spare parts, let alone additional heavy equipment.)
      •  Lovely thought (none)
        gas a hundred bucks a gallon.

        The name is not the thing named, the map is not the territory. -- Gregory Bateson

        by semiot on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 03:06:01 PM PDT

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    •  wouldn't take nukes to do that (none)
      You'd only need to scuttle a good number of ships in the Straits of Hormuz, (any old rusty hulk would fit the bill, long as it was big enough, and the Straits are pretty shallow waters) and target the Saudi and Kuwaiti pipeline terminals and refineries with conventional/incendiary tipped medium-range ballistic missiles.

      After they got the Straits cleared again, which would take a good bit of time, the rubble of the oil infrastructure would still take years if not decades to rebuild/refit completely.

      And I suspect they probably have a few mines lying around as well, just to make the clearing and reworking project a bit more interesting.

      No more oil-based economy for quite some time in most of the world.  Quick, easy and cheap.  Kind of a big middle finger to rest of us if we get too adventurous out there.

      •  unshinkable destroyer (none)
        straight of hormuz is Iran ace card. There is nothing Bush can do about the fact Iran own the straight and the mountain range.

        Bush can bomb the tiny bits of land to smithering, it'll still be there and Iran can simply repour new concrete building.

        Bush can't use nuke either, cause then the entire striat will be poisoned.

        So, if there is war in that area. Iran wins.

      •  But think ... (none)
        ... of the killing oil companies will make when oil doubles in price overnight!

        When we outlaw free speech, only outlaws will speak freely. - DaveOinSF

        by Bob Love on Fri Jul 22, 2005 at 04:58:10 PM PDT

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